hoppyman Posted December 31, 2010 Share #161 Posted December 31, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Oh dear! I was thinking 'benefit of the doubt' when I responded to your other post with the very odd 'landscape photography' comments. This post is just silly, uninformed or perhaps intentionally provocative. Bye now. Live view is as minimalist as it gets from a picture creation point. You see what the sensor sees. It's the closest you'll get to the actual image and much more direct than framing by using wildly inaccurate framelines and (mis)focusing by a mechanical system that can get miscalibrated by a bump. The live view debate was a good litmus test when it was going on in the DSLR world. You quickly see which people have simply a gear fetish and which actually care about the images created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Hi hoppyman, Take a look here EVF for M9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted December 31, 2010 Share #162 Posted December 31, 2010 For a future M, I'd suggest a replacement of the mechanical rangefinder coupling with an electronic one and a CMOS sensor with live view. Those that use it as a traditional rangefinder won't notice any difference in operation except that they won't have to send their camera to Leica for calibration. Please explain how the deep wells of a CMOS sensor would be able to handle the incidence angles of a rangefinder camera? Without this explanation your post is arrant nonsense. And how would you visualize an electronic coupling? Little servo motors? How would that be precise? Current AF systems are less precise than the Leica rangefinder.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted January 1, 2011 Share #163 Posted January 1, 2011 I'm primarily an amateur landscape photographer and I believe in that particular type of photography exact framing and composition are alpha and omega. As much as I like my M9 for casual photography, it's really not the best tool for my landscape photography. If they came out with an M with live view then I'd happily throw out my DSLRs. I want exact framing and pixel level focus accuracy - something that a classical rangefinder can't provide. There, I fixed your post so you don't sound condescending. Far greater photographers than you and I have used the M for landscape quite successfully. For your next $7k camera I suggest something that you believe is better suited to your primary form of photography. But I guess some of us are lucky enough to afford a fantastic camera and then whittle on about it's well-known shortcomings/nuances ad-nauseum, across several forums and especially to those who know the system better than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 1, 2011 Share #164 Posted January 1, 2011 There, I fixed your post so I don't perceive you as sounding condescending. Photographers which I feel are far greater photographers than you and I have used the M for landscape quite successfully for my taste. There, I fixed your post so I don't perceive you as sounding condescending. People. Why don't you try and get along? BTW, now we've decided to bell the cat we could spend our time discussing what make of bell it has to be and what note it has to be tuned to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted January 1, 2011 Share #165 Posted January 1, 2011 You can split hairs any way you want but the vast vast majority of digital cameras have live view Not yet, they don't. I guess this comes down to your definition of "digital cameras". A large proportion of digital cameras are built into mobile phones: they all have live view. And all the digital video cameras that can also take stills. All P&S digitals on the market today have live view, as do almost all made in the last ten years or more. All micro-Four-Thirds and similar cameras have live view, along with all "bridge" cameras. And most current DSLRs. But if you only count DSLRs, digital Ms and MF digital, yes, Pico is absolutely right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted January 1, 2011 Share #166 Posted January 1, 2011 There, I fixed your post so I don't perceive you as sounding condescending. People. Why don't you try and get along? BTW, now we've decided to bell the cat we could spend our time discussing what make of bell it has to be and what note it has to be tuned to. Sorry, my post was definitely too venomous, the result of enduring Luka's complaints about the camera a few too many times. My apologies to him and the others who are offended by my post. I think I should stay out of internet forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted January 1, 2011 Share #167 Posted January 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread seems to be clarifying the division between, on the one hand, people who at heart want a viewfinder to give them the best possible perception of the subject (i.e. they want to see the subject and visualise the resulting image), and on the other, people who at heart want the viewfinder to show them the image itself (or at least a decent approximation to it). One lot wants to be directly connected to the subject; the other wants to be directly connected to the image - so let's all stop touting the overall superiority of one versus the other and concede that it's just a matter of taste. Me, I want both. Preferably in the same camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 1, 2011 Share #168 Posted January 1, 2011 I think I should stay out of internet forums. Do think twice about that, or - if need be - once more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 1, 2011 Share #169 Posted January 1, 2011 OK, guys, that's enough thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Åmund Posted January 7, 2011 Share #170 Posted January 7, 2011 Don't pay attention to the resident trolls. Dear Sirs! I really must protest against the ongoing defamation of the troll character I find on this forum. Trolls are a valued part of the Norwegian folklore and as a Norwegian I feel it my duty to defend them against such slander. The trolls are stupid, vicious and occasionally known to eat humans (mostly tourists these days), but what can the poor darlings do? They are endangered species and the last thing they need is to be attacked in this way. Let it be known that the trolls are NEVER, EVER condescending, mean or snipery like the specimens we find here on this forum. They are also allergic to light and consequently not interested in photography. On behalf of the trolls I demand an apology and want the moderators to select another term for the individuals formerly known as "trolls". My suggestion is "coprolites" which is, as we all know, fossilized excrement. Sincerely Åmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 7, 2011 Share #171 Posted January 7, 2011 They are also allergic to light and consequently not interested in photography. Yes, we all know that they use their Leicas for Iskiagraphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted January 8, 2011 Share #172 Posted January 8, 2011 I guess this comes down to your definition of "digital cameras". A large proportion of digital cameras are built into mobile phones: they all have live view. And all the digital video cameras that can also take stills. All P&S digitals on the market today have live view, as do almost all made in the last ten years or more. All micro-Four-Thirds and similar cameras have live view, along with all "bridge" cameras. And most current DSLRs. But if you only count DSLRs, digital Ms and MF digital, yes, Pico is absolutely right. "All digital cameras" means all digital cameras without eliminating any type for any reason. Why would anyone interpret this any other way? And I believe that all digital rangefinders lack live view and can't make use of this feature whether you think this is good or not. You don't have a choice in the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Åmund Posted January 8, 2011 Share #173 Posted January 8, 2011 Yes, we all know that they use their Leicas for Iskiagraphy. Good one! I had to google it! Åmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 8, 2011 Share #174 Posted January 8, 2011 I had to google it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted January 8, 2011 Share #175 Posted January 8, 2011 If you google the word troll with various connections, I think you will have entertainment for many days. The Norwegian painter Theodor Kittelsen (1857-1914) is probably the most famous single individual who has figuratively made the genuine Norwegian trolls. It is understandable that people in Norway in the past, who lived close to the nature, with only a few hours of daylight during the winter, could easily spot these creatures. It is obviously very popular for the tourists who come to Norway to buy and take home wooden figures of these trolls. But, since we are smart business people, of course, we let the Chinese produce the trolls for us today.:D Here are some examples of Norwegian trolls. One of the most famous images is the troll who is walking down Oslo's main street Karl Johan. Gyldendal 1945 - trollet paa karl johan 01 - Theodor Kittelsen TrollMoon - Theodore Kittelsen (1857-1914) | Norwegian painters | TrollMoon Kittelsen troll - Google Search It is now also a cinema movie, coming soon, which are about the subject genuine Norwegian the trolls. Here is a pre-view for those who have the appropriate software on their computer. Trollene kommer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 8, 2011 Share #176 Posted January 8, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 8, 2011 Share #177 Posted January 8, 2011 Yes, we all know that they use their Leicas for Iskiagraphy. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/140126-evf-for-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1552240'>More sharing options...
pop Posted January 8, 2011 Share #178 Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry, sloppy work on my part. Should have been Skiagraphy or Iskiography, I rather think. shadow {m} σκιά {η} ίσκιος {ο} For "writing with darkness" instead of photography (writing with light). If it's all Greek to you, that's all right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Åmund Posted January 8, 2011 Share #179 Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry, sloppy work on my part. Should have been Skiagraphy or Iskiography, I rather think. Or maybe it´s iSkiography, something from Apple? Åmund :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share #180 Posted March 12, 2011 so many answers :-) thanks to all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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