4/3rds new ammunition

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[phancj]

Hmmm...very interesting for low light photography....my only peeve is the smaller size of the 4/3 sensor, not what I have in mind . If they do a E-mount lens for sony nex maybe more interesting.

 

Right now, it seems like the 4/3 format is slipping, at least here in SE Asia. O the contrary, I see more and more entry level smaller DSLRs fast gaining ground, even teenage gals are toting them!

 

Perhaps 4/3cams are past their initial excitement and with more people concerned with image quality the 4/3 has some compromises there. Smaller DSLRs seems less o fa compromise.

 

nevertheless nice to know, and thanks for the info!

[stephen.w]

Nice, but I don't think that the m4/3 format really has a future. Leica, Ricoh, Sony and Samsung have shown that you can put an APS-C sized sensor in a compact body. Just a matter of time before Canon and/or Nikon follow suit with the finished article.

[Guest stnami]

For those that desire a wide DOF the 4/3 has it's advantages, plus the death of 4/3 has been touted since the Olympus E1 in 2003. Panasonic's size and spread makes the photo companies look like minows

[phancj]

Interesting to see, my bet is on the demise of the 4/3 albeit it will be a slow and not-so-painful one:p

 

Reason is sensor not up to par, unless they can squeeze it into a P&S body like those slim sexy sony machines. Otherwise, sensor smaller, size not so small, somewhat a in-between solution.

 

Now the miniaturization race has just began with X1, Nex, Ricoh...with more players joining anytime soon...and I am talking about minimum APS-C size sensors, the mft are relatively bulky cameras, it will not be long before the mft cams get trampled all over. Wait and see!

[250swb]

Interesting to see, my bet is on the demise of the 4/3 albeit it will be a slow and not-so-painful one:p

 

Clearly CV have decided they disagree with your assumptions. A case of putting their money where their mouth is?

 

Steve

[ravinj]

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Assuming you can put great lenses on the likes of Sony Nex, why should anyone consider 4/3? And if I am going to put bulky lenses on 4/3 or Nex, why shouldn't I get a DSLR like Nikon D300 that will outperform 4/3 any day?

 

4/3 may not die, but when Leica and Sony have already crammed bigger sensors in small bodies, I don't see the point of 4/3.

[Guest stnami]

phancj evidently read it in a fortune cookie........the armchair executive type not the cheap one from the local tourist shop

why should anyone consider 4/3?

................some like the wide DOF of the 4/3rds system and the 4:3 image ratio opposed to the 3:2,........evidently you don't others do

 

still others see cameras as sex objects

they can squeeze it into a P&S body like those slim sexy sony machines

....... not sure if it is a practical way to have sex , but each to his own

[jsrockit]

Interesting lens... but too expensive (for u 4/3 anyway) IMO. u 4/3 is not a bad format though... I don't see it going away any time soon. These cameras are more popular than people here assume. They must be doing really well in Japan for CV to make a lens.

[phancj]

Clearly CV have decided they disagree with your assumptions. A case of putting their money where their mouth is?

 

Steve

 

Given the current user base, it would make sense for a boutique firm like CV to come up with this lens and make some fast bucks...but I am talking about the future of mft, not the current installed base.

 

The big boys like Canon and Nikon and consumer giants like Sony has not adopted the mft format and may never do. Until we see these companies jump on this format, the future of mft remains fragile.

 

 

Assuming you can put great lenses on the likes of Sony Nex, why should anyone consider 4/3? And if I am going to put bulky lenses on 4/3 or Nex, why shouldn't I get a DSLR like Nikon D300 that will outperform 4/3 any day?

 

4/3 may not die, but when Leica and Sony have already crammed bigger sensors in small bodies, I don't see the point of 4/3.

 

Precisely, technology jumps forward at such an astonishing speed, and current mft are too large, and sensors too small. The demand for better and better IQ will not cease, and camera makers must launch bigger sensors in smaller and smaller bodies. Right now, at this point in time, the mft cams are too large to be pocketable, and sensors too small compared to the likes of X1, Nex, Ricoh, etc. Sure, the X1 and Nex has teething pains, but once developed and being so tiny I dont see mft going anywhere.

 

phancj evidently read it in a fortune cookie........the armchair executive type not the cheap one from the local tourist shop

................some like the wide DOF of the 4/3rds system and the 4:3 image ratio opposed to the 3:2,........evidently you don't others do

 

still others see cameras as sex objects ....... not sure if it is a practical way to have sex , but each to his own

 

Your comments on fortune cookie and armchair executive is uncalled for, but I see your love for 4/3system, and respect that. Unfortunately, there is such a thing as progress, and though some may choose even obsolete technology as it still serves their purpose and hence there is no reason to upgrade, the vast majority will buy what is best for IQ, what is smallest, and what is easy to use at that current moment. With sensors getting bigger and camera bodies smaller, the mft which has served its purpose will be on its way out, unless the bodies get real small, like the sony pocket cams. That is the way things are. I really hope that happens soon coz even I might buy a mft if it fits in my shirt pocket:D

 

I even concede that my X1 may be obsolete soon, but I may still keep it as I like its styling and the pictures it takes. But I am not going to defend it like you with the mft when I see a full frame at its size. Take it easy, buddy.

[jsrockit]

the vast majority will buy what is best for IQ, what is smallest, and what is easy to use at that current moment.

 

I think you give the majority way too much credit...

[RichardM8]

I'd buy and X1 with a FF sensor immediately if it came available. Wait a minute... that's an M9... No I don't. Besides, they have skin peeling too.

[Guest stnami]

Phancj, Panasonic are Japan's biggest consumer electronics maker and would easily swallow both canon and nikon without blinking.

You sure find reading hard as I never stated that I own a 4/3rds camera, which I don't nor have I a desire to buy one but there are lots of other people that do for various reasons .

Besides the vast majority don't give a rat's arse about cameras they are too busy living

[biglouis]

Nice, but I don't think that the m4/3 format really has a future. Leica, Ricoh, Sony and Samsung have shown that you can put an APS-C sized sensor in a compact body. Just a matter of time before Canon and/or Nikon follow suit with the finished article.

 

Leica also license a very good Leica branded 45/2.8 macro lens to Panasonic for m4/3rds users. This is what you can do with it. Yer basic X1 ain't going to capture something like that anytime soon.

 

I'm not slavering over the thought of a CV Notkon for m4/3rds but that is because there are rumours of some fast primes from Panasonic to be announced at Photokina. It will be interesting to see if Panasonic have persauded Leica to let them brand them as if they are anything like the Panasonic 20/1.7 for m4/3rds then they are Leica-like designs in all but name.

 

LouisB

[Ecaton]

The really good news is that CV is capable of producing a faaaaast 25mm lens. How about an affordable CV 25mm f1.4 m-mount?

[Ecaton]

Given the current user base, it would make sense for a boutique firm like CV to come up with this lens and make some fast bucks...but I am talking about the future of mft, not the current installed base.

 

The big boys like Canon and Nikon and consumer giants like Sony has not adopted the mft format and may never do. Until we see these companies jump on this format, the future of mft remains fragile.

 

 

 

 

Precisely, technology jumps forward at such an astonishing speed, and current mft are too large, and sensors too small. The demand for better and better IQ will not cease, and camera makers must launch bigger sensors in smaller and smaller bodies. Right now, at this point in time, the mft cams are too large to be pocketable, and sensors too small compared to the likes of X1, Nex, Ricoh, etc. Sure, the X1 and Nex has teething pains, but once developed and being so tiny I dont see mft going anywhere.

 

 

 

Your comments on fortune cookie and armchair executive is uncalled for, but I see your love for 4/3system, and respect that. Unfortunately, there is such a thing as progress, and though some may choose even obsolete technology as it still serves their purpose and hence there is no reason to upgrade, the vast majority will buy what is best for IQ, what is smallest, and what is easy to use at that current moment. With sensors getting bigger and camera bodies smaller, the mft which has served its purpose will be on its way out, unless the bodies get real small, like the sony pocket cams. That is the way things are. I really hope that happens soon coz even I might buy a mft if it fits in my shirt pocket:D

 

I even concede that my X1 may be obsolete soon, but I may still keep it as I like its styling and the pictures it takes. But I am not going to defend it like you with the mft when I see a full frame at its size. Take it easy, buddy.

 

As far as lens sizes and quality are concerned, there is still a lot going for mft. Eventually a system is only as good as its weakest component. In the case of mft it might be the sensor, in case of the NEX the kit lenses. It's all about compromises.

[phancj]

I think you give the majority way too much credit...

 

I forgot to add based on their available budget, my bad! It's like I am not going to slam the M9 simply because at this time I feel it is too much for me?

 

I'd buy and X1 with a FF sensor immediately if it came available. Wait a minute... that's an M9... No I don't. Besides, they have skin peeling too.

 

The M9 is a rangefinder, I am talking about a compact full frame, it'll happen, I dunno when, but it'll happen...

 

 

Phancj, Panasonic are Japan's biggest consumer electronics maker and would easily swallow both canon and nikon without blinking.

You sure find reading hard as I never stated that I own a 4/3rds camera, which I don't nor have I a desire to buy one but there are lots of other people that do for various reasons .

Besides the vast majority don't give a rat's arse about cameras they are too busy living

 

As far as lens sizes and quality are concerned, there is still a lot going for mft. Eventually a system is only as good as its weakest component. In the case of mft it might be the sensor, in case of the NEX the kit lenses. It's all about compromises.

 

I agree with you on panasonic being one of the largest (Masushita I believe) but I am talking about their imaging division, isnt that what we are talking about? Right now Panny compacts and 4/3 are doing good so they are still at it, but don't kid yourself to think they can approach the volume of the Canons and Nikons?? Your bringing up panasonic's size is irrelevant in this discussion coz the camera division isnt as large, and that should be the sole determinant here.

 

I have to qualify: Not the majority, but the majority of the minority in the population that are photo enthusiasts? happy? I concede that the majority dun give a ratass about IQ haha:p

 

The mft are more matured given their time in the market, but their product lifecycle will go towards the end, unless revolutionary products are launched. Like smaller bodies, bigger sensors, wait! Then it will be mft no more? Like APS or FF??

[phancj]

As far as lens sizes and quality are concerned, there is still a lot going for mft. Eventually a system is only as good as its weakest component. In the case of mft it might be the sensor, in case of the NEX the kit lenses. It's all about compromises.

 

I agree, but the nex is still in the teething stage, as is the X1, compared to the relatively matured mft. Nex lenses will improve (if sony so chooses), the X2 will be better, more will jump on the bandwagon. The mft is stuck in its evolutionary cycle coz it is mft sensor, unless they make the sensors bigger, there is a limit to its lifespan in the market. That is reality, my friend. Once the infancy of the APS portable cams is over, so will the mft be except those that have invested and still find it enough for their purposes. Unless mft is priced so cheaply that it is a no-brainer, I doubt any will choose it over the APS-Cs. Then again Panasonic, olympus, etc will find their margins eroded and will not advance the format further.

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[Guest stnami]

phancj Panasonic can easily buy canon or nikon with their pocket money if they saw a need .....................everyone big makes their money out of point and shoots.

[phancj]

phancj Panasonic can easily buy canon or nikon with their pocket money if they saw a need .....................everyone makes their money out of point and shoots.

 

Thats a sweeping statement to make, canon is a huge conglomerate as well and Nikon is a tiny component subsidiary of a huge global conglomerate too, as far as I can recall. panasonic is not the only large company, and they may or may not have the ability to buy up the two said companies. You should be more mature, seriously.