stunsworth Posted June 12, 2010 Share #101 Posted June 12, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) thanks. So I should be able to use the trial version and then if Leica don't come to an arrangement with Adobe I would just have to pay the upgrade fee That is correct. Also your LR2 catalogues will be unchanged, so if you decide you don't want LR3 you can revert to using those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Hi stunsworth, Take a look here The Lightroom 3 thread [including "Does my free SN work with LR3?"] [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
viramati Posted June 12, 2010 Share #102 Posted June 12, 2010 thanks steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted June 12, 2010 Share #103 Posted June 12, 2010 This does seem strange. Everyone in the digital post processing world has known for several months that LR3 is just around the corner. Now it is here Leica seems to be taken unawares. Leica must know what type of agreement they have made with Adobe and must have foreseen this situation. So what gives Leica? Why the delay? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 12, 2010 Share #104 Posted June 12, 2010 Everyone in the digital post processing world has known for several months that LR3 is just around the corner But I guess that not many people knew when it was going to released - the beta of LR3 was extended at least once. Also remember that Leica are _very_ small fry for Adobe. How many M9s have been sold? A few thousand? In the grand scheme of things that's nothing to Adobe. Personally if I'd spent 5,000 GBP on an M9 I'd be prepared to pay the extra 70 GBP for the upgrade. Obviously if I'd just bought an M9 I'd download the trial version and see what happened in the next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted June 13, 2010 Share #105 Posted June 13, 2010 Well I agree it is nothing to Adobe but it is something to Leica, quite important really. M9s are for sale, will new owners get the latest software or have to make do with the previous version. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tategoi Posted June 13, 2010 Share #106 Posted June 13, 2010 Aren't you glad to know that Leica had devoted all the workers to producing more M9s and 50 Luxes that there is nobody in Leica that had noticed the LR3 release? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted June 13, 2010 Share #107 Posted June 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) But I guess that not many people knew when it was going to released - the beta of LR3 was extended at least once. Also remember that Leica are _very_ small fry for Adobe. How many M9s have been sold? A few thousand? In the grand scheme of things that's nothing to Adobe. Personally if I'd spent 5,000 GBP on an M9 I'd be prepared to pay the extra 70 GBP for the upgrade. Obviously if I'd just bought an M9 I'd download the trial version and see what happened in the next month. I agree hole heartly!! that includes the X1 too. If you can afford one of these cameras, you should also consider the costs of a premium software app for it. chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted June 13, 2010 Share #108 Posted June 13, 2010 From the Leica US web site: "Included with the LEICA M9, is a license for Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, a professional digital workflow solution available for both Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows operating systems. The software is a free download for LEICA M9 customers, to guarantee that the most current version is always available." (emphasis added) I would expect Leica to deliver what they advertise! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted June 13, 2010 Share #109 Posted June 13, 2010 From the Leica US web site: "Included with the LEICA M9, is a license for Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, a professional digital workflow solution available for both Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows operating systems. The software is a free download for LEICA M9 customers, to guarantee that the most current version is always available." (emphasis added) I would expect Leica to deliver what they advertise! Probably? they will soon, all though, it could be like the M8 firmware update, it ain't going to happen no matter how much we bitch:), lets hope are past bitching will yeild at least (1) FW update for the X1:eek: chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 14, 2010 Share #110 Posted June 14, 2010 Personally if I'd spent 5,000 GBP on an M9 I'd be prepared to pay the extra 70 GBP for the upgrade. Well that makes it easy then, all Leica have to do is raise the price of the M9 by 70 GBP and your wish will come true. There is always a downside in fairy tale economics that start with the concept of 'if you can afford'...... But if I were Leica I'd package this up, send a bill not for 70 GBP but for 170 GBP to current M9 users and charge them for the 'Official Leica Lightroom 3 Upgrade'. Well worth the money to know its been spent so easily,...only the Canon and Nikon crowd will fall about laughing because they get all their OEM software for free. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted June 14, 2010 Share #111 Posted June 14, 2010 … Personally if I'd spent 5,000 GBP on an M9 I'd be prepared to pay the extra 70 GBP for the upgrade.… It depends, I have only got LR because it came with the M9. When I first had it I used for a while and then went back to my Capture One/Photoshop workflow. I may have a look at LR3 just to see some of the new features. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 14, 2010 Share #112 Posted June 14, 2010 only the Canon and Nikon crowd will fall about laughing because they get all their OEM software for free. I wonder how many serious photographers who use Canons or Nikons use the 'free' software that came with the cameras? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that most of them use Aperture, Lightroom, or some version of Photoshop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted June 14, 2010 Share #113 Posted June 14, 2010 From the Leica US web site: "Included with the LEICA M9, is a license for Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, a professional digital workflow solution available for both Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows operating systems. The software is a free download for LEICA M9 customers, to guarantee that the most current version is always available." (emphasis added) I would expect Leica to deliver what they advertise! No need for any distress or indignation at this stage really. The Leica blog has already said to just hang onto your TAN a little longer if you haven't used it. Take a look for yourself. If you have downloaded it then Leica have already fulfilled their commitment by providing what was available. Unless you insisted on downloading it during the last couple of days there is absolutely no issue at all, except if you don't understand Adobe's upgrade policy perhaps. That might be interpreted as a self-inflicted wound. Anyone who has used Adobe products will know that their policy once you have acquired a licence is to provide free point upgrades up until the next full version is released. So everyone that has a licence for Lightroom 1 for example could download each new point update through until Lightroom 2 was released. Then you could pay an upgrade to 2 if desired. Then you got 2.1, 2.2 etc through until 2.7 for free. Now you can pay the upgrade price for 3 from that if you wish, however you acquired the earlier versions. Or if you have bought a qualifying Leica product and have not downloaded yet for what ever reason, just wait a little. A lot of people are in that boat ever since LR3 was announced to be coming along and Leica Camera certainly recognises this situation. LR3 has only been out a few days after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 14, 2010 Share #114 Posted June 14, 2010 I wonder how many serious photographers who use Canons or Nikons use the 'free' software that came with the cameras? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that most of them use Aperture, Lightroom, or some version of Photoshop. Just because the Leica OEM software is posh Steve doesn't preclude the fact that OEM software and a digital camera are part of an integral package. Just because Nikon and Canon OEM software isn't as posh doesn't mean the companies can get away with supplying stuff that doesn't work as well for all users of the camera. Imagine you bought a 5dMkII and afterwards Canon upgraded the software, but for new users only. And that software was a significant upgrade, so like LR3 its worth another stop or two of noise free exposure with RAW files? Would a two tier software regime work for them as far as customer relations go? Or would they look to Leica for inspiration and figure customers are all rich enough to spend yet more money paying for upgraded software? What, Canon users are rich I hear you say in amazement? I'd be willing to bet over a few average years the keen amateur is likely to upgrade, buy new gadgets, or even change entire camera systems, and in doing so spend more money, or lose more money, than the cost of a Leica M and a couple of lenses would to a loyal fan who generally looks to longer term ownership. So none of this is about affordability and buying a Leica because 'you're worth it'. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 15, 2010 Share #115 Posted June 15, 2010 I wonder how many serious photographers who use Canons or Nikons use the 'free' software that came with the cameras? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that most of them use Aperture, Lightroom, or some version of Photoshop. By the way, and for what it's worth, only Canon's DPP is free; Nikon's Capture NX costs money--even when you buy one of their pro cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted June 15, 2010 Share #116 Posted June 15, 2010 Thanks, Dan. Never heard of Bibble. Do you use it and if so, like it? Doug Wow sorry I missed this Doug. I have used it on a trial basis, I found it a little difficult compared to Lightroom, and even Capture One. I think it takes a bit more training to get good results out of it. It is VERY fast though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_b Posted June 15, 2010 Share #117 Posted June 15, 2010 I have a curious thing in LR3 (same in LR2 since catalogue was copied across), I upgraded yesterday and was checking my catalogue to see it had upgraded OK, etc. When looking at the Metadate and sorted by date I find I have 646 images with a date of January 1601!- over 15,000 with correct date and taken with a variety of cameras inlcuding M8 & M9. Cameras had not even invented then. If I look at all the image data, EXIF data, etc I can no reference to that date. The dates I find are correct for each image. Any ideas where that date could have come from and how do I correct it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted June 17, 2010 Share #118 Posted June 17, 2010 No updates yet huh? Does the demo allow you to print and do everything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 17, 2010 Share #119 Posted June 17, 2010 The demo is fully functional. The only difference between it and the full product is that there's a nag screen when you start up showing you how many days are left in the demo. Once you have a serial number you can enter it in this screen, so there's no need to install a new version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted June 17, 2010 Share #120 Posted June 17, 2010 I've been visiting the Leica owner's page almost twice a day, hoping to see the new LR3 post for the serial number. 22 days to go before my trial ends. But doubt if I would return to LR2, may finally have to go for the USD99 upgrade. I will post as soon as I see the new license posted on the Leica site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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