M8 Firmware ?

[Angelos Viskadourakis]

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Fellow memeber "gdruprey" one of the most banal and unrelated to this discussion talk i have seen in the forum,pitty, obviously you dont read through the thread but if thats how you feel better well done.

Personal attacks is the way of the people who are in the weak and wrong side of things.

For your info i dont need anything personaly as i can use Holga or Diana and much any

image you can propose from any camera system but we try to keep a high level in our exchange to benefit as photographers ,better stay with us.

When i write to a thread i read all posts before ,is a good way try it,thats how we learn from each other which i suppose is the main objective of that forum.

It is more useful to spend time working with the distortion of our lenses than try to distort the words and message of fellow forum members.

 

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[grduprey]

Sorry if this came over as a personal attack, it was not intended that way. I responded to your post in a way that I thought appropriate, but it obviously came across wrong, and i apologize for that. It was late and I was tired after a long day of travel through some nasty weather. I should have thought through the subject better. I thought the post of yours was the last one in the thread, but i was wrong, and evidently I must have read it in a way you had not intended it be read.

[plasticman]

People are getting all worked-up and misinterpreting each other's messages and generally taking things personally it seems.

 

I really don't see it's so hard to understand this issue though: some people have had problems with their M8s, or are worried that a known issue is going to affect their camera, and they're therefore eager for Leica to continue to actively support the camera with fixes for those issues (and sometimes a wish-list of other upgrades or personal preferences).

 

The fact that some other people haven't had any problems (I haven't incidentally), doesn't take away the right of the first group to voice their views on the forum, and publicly remind Leica of their existence and point-of-view.

 

I don't really see the harm in it, to be honest.

[mjh]

I really don't see it's so hard to understand this issue though: some people have had problems with their M8s, or are worried that a known issue is going to affect their camera, and they're therefore eager for Leica to continue to actively support the camera with fixes for those issues (and sometimes a wish-list of other upgrades or personal preferences).

There have been several firmware updates ironing out all the major deficiencies of the M8 – to the extent that was possible at all, i.e. the sensor’s IR sensitivity wasn’t diminished a bit and never will be. Still there were big improvements like the M8 has a real, working AWB setting now, it can write to SDHC cards, and so on. There are still a few minor issues and Leica might manage to fix these with another firmware upgrade; at least they have made it clear that is their intent. But all this whining and complaining like working with the M8 was some kind of agonizing experience is getting on some peoples’ nerves.

[plasticman]

But all this whining and complaining like working with the M8 was some kind of agonizing experience is getting on some peoples’ nerves.

 

Well maybe - I just think that no-one is forced to read any thread or post. If it's not interesting to them, just ignore it.

 

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not unduly worried about my M8 (which has served me flawlessly so far), but I am a little disconcerted by the somewhat cavalier attitude to a recently discontinued (flagship) product. The M9 was just fresh out the door when Stefan Daniel was quoted as saying (accurately?) that no more work was planned to be done on the M8.

 

I personally would have preferred Leica to say something along the lines that they'd continue to support the M8 for as long as possible, and so on. Possibly just 'marketing' talk - but the vague feeling of abandonment might have been allayed.

 

Still, I'm having no problems shooting with what is a truly great camera. I don't expect any firmware updates to improve my shooting. But I don't see why anyone would actively want too deny someone else the perceived benefit of an upgrade. That attitude truly mystifies me.

[mjh]

The M9 was just fresh out the door when Stefan Daniel was quoted as saying (accurately?) that no more work was planned to be done on the M8.

Meaning there won’t be any hardware upgrades, i.e. the infamous “perpetual” upgrade program is dead. That doesn’t imply the firmware was frozen, never to be updated again. Quite on the contrary Leica had said there probably will be at least another update. Just don’t expect new features to be introduced.

[jaapv]

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I personally would have preferred Leica to say something along the lines that they'd continue to support the M8 for as long as possible, and so on. Possibly just 'marketing' talk - but the vague feeling of abandonment might have been allayed.

So they did... Expect a decade and get more

[sfokevin]

...but I am a little disconcerted by the somewhat cavalier attitude to a recently discontinued (flagship) product. The M9 was just fresh out the door when Stefan Daniel was quoted as saying (accurately?) that no more work was planned to be done on the M8...

 

This is a very important point - especially when you go over and look at a couple of the popular threads in the M9 Forum... "M9, last of the line?"... "M9 just an in between model?"

 

Given the M8 experience many 9ers seem to be a bit nervous after forking over $7 Grand and worrying that their investment will quickly be relegated to a Leica sub-forum...

[Rick]

Not the dreaded sub-forum. I just bought the damn thing. If they put us M9 users in the sub-forum with these whiny M8ers I'll, I'll ... just have to buy an M10.

[andybarton]

Given the M8 experience many 9ers seem to be a bit nervous after forking over $7 Grand and worrying that their investment will quickly be relegated to a Leica sub-forum...

 

What are you talking about. The M9 has had its own sub-forum since it was first announced.

 

There's no relegation here.

[sfokevin]

What are you talking about. The M9 has had its own sub-forum since it was first announced.

 

There's no relegation here.

 

Just wait... 10/10/10 is not that far away...

[andybarton]

Nothing very interesting's going to happen on 10/10/10...

 

It seems to me that most people have more important things to worry about that where a particular camera might be being discussed on an internet forum

[sfokevin]

Sub-Forum & 10/10/10 were just metaphors...

 

I just hope all the M9 firmware bugs are worked out before 10/10/10...

[mby]

(...) investment (...)

 

Don't think it makes sense to regard any recent Leica Camera as an 'investment'; there are better opportunities to invest in to see pay off...

 

Best regards,

Michael

[pgk]

I wonder if Admin would create a "Whinging, whining and complaining" forum so that ALL the relevant threads could be brought together and the whole thing could then be 'minimised' by those who don't want to see it? It might also be of use to psychology students who want to study the effects of the internet and the human mind. I find threads like this to be a fascinating insight into the way people perceive problems and apparent problems (I wonder which are in the majority?) The rest of the site can be very useful for learning about equipment.

[bill]

People are getting all worked-up and misinterpreting each other's messages and generally taking things personally it seems.

 

I really don't see it's so hard to understand this issue though: some people have had problems with their M8s, or are worried that a known issue is going to affect their camera, and they're therefore eager for Leica to continue to actively support the camera with fixes for those issues (and sometimes a wish-list of other upgrades or personal preferences).

 

The fact that some other people haven't had any problems (I haven't incidentally), doesn't take away the right of the first group to voice their views on the forum, and publicly remind Leica of their existence and point-of-view.

 

I don't really see the harm in it, to be honest.

 

Mani, there is no issue with anything you have written above. The irritation is, and continues to be, with those who cry "Perfidious Leica!" at the tops of their voices and regard "mere puff" as a binding contract (which it never was), flying in the face of logic, commonsense and legal precedent. I think it must be a bruised ego thing - nobody wants to be thought of as gullible. The M8 does the job for which it was designed, within the limitations of that design, and continues to be used by thousands and supported by Leica; long may that be the case.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[Angelos Viskadourakis]

I wonder if Admin would create a "Whinging, whining and complaining" forum so that ALL the relevant threads could be brought together and the whole thing could then be 'minimised' by those who don't want to see it? It might also be of use to psychology students who want to study the effects of the internet and the human mind. I find threads like this to be a fascinating insight into the way people perceive problems and apparent problems (I wonder which are in the majority?) The rest of the site can be very useful for learning about equipment.

 

if you read that thread trough you will learn alot about equipment,obviously this is mostly a user group ,there are general photo magazines for general photo info,i'm surprised with your comment,personally i spot the posts that discuss a specific subject with facts -and there are a lot in that thread-.And some friends have to really stop the effort to disorientate a topic like that as is of very high importance for many users and try to downplay the facts with this borring "whining" label is very un-polite very un-photographic and suspicious to say the least.

[pgk]

is very ..... suspicious to say the least.

Enlighten me:confused:!

 

I have learnt far more about human nature in this thread than I have about the M8 and its apparent problems - mine has merely had a line develop which was dealt with promptly by Leica.

[Angelos Viskadourakis]

Enlighten me:confused:!

 

I have learnt far more about human nature in this thread than I have about the M8 and its apparent problems - mine has merely had a line develop which was dealt with promptly by Leica.

 

pitty Paul ,on the contrary i learn more about cameras in this thread but if we continue to write about humans we will derail again one of the most important point about M8 and the future of the M system as a part of Leica experience & future.Mine had zero problems-except RF alignment-and as i'm quite content with M8

,like many others,we are asking for what we expect.You still have to read the thread through,that will answer to your psychology agonies and besides the "human nature" learning-that you enjoy -will find a lot camera knowledge as well.

 

PS :Stalin & similar others when they didnt like the content of the conversation were baptising the contributors mentaly disturbed or "whiners".

Of course you can spend your time in other threads that you find more useful but allow us to choose for ourselves.Is called culture.

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Hallo,

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[pgk]

So what was 'suspicious' Angelos?