Doc Henry Posted May 3, 2010 Share #21 Posted May 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is another picture of a balloon (believed to be at 1000 -1500 meters) taken with the Apo Telyt 135 and M9 , few days ago , from a window of my house (we see a little roof of the house of my neighbor) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! and the crop 100% Regards Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! and the crop 100% Regards Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119893-m9-135-apo-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1313082'>More sharing options...
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chris_tribble Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted May 3, 2010 For what purpose? There ias an impressive number of threads in the archive about how to have better results WITHOUT Leica coding. This being only a problem with the M8 - without manual lens recognition - and certainly at 28mm and less. Sometimes after having returned from the field and using it alongside a 90mm, it's not always that easy to remember which of the two focal lengths had been used for a particular image. A coded 90mm helps. You've made the point - there's no benefit in terms of image, but I find it very helpful to be able to filter by lens name when searching across very large numbers of images. BTW - re the exif information being inserted manually, at the moment, there seems to be a bug in the firmware and the lens is wrongly named as a 2.8 135 (see shot below - which also shows how well this lens focuses fully open! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119893-m9-135-apo-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1313149'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2010 Share #23 Posted May 3, 2010 Very good point imo, Chris! Some enlarge the lens park and after some time prune, by selling, simply because getting into small lenses does not have to lead to carry twice as many or stashing away at home. So it does make sense for them to see how often which focal length was used. Overall, and in terms of keepers. Not giving this lens 6-bit coding, could create the impression that the company does not take this (perfectly sharp and very compact) lens very seriously, so why should the customers? On one hand this is to be expected to change, as soon as there are more new lenses in the stores (except rits and wideLux) than on waiting lists (balancing this is of cause an art ). Then they will have time to 6-bit code this lens, too. Though, when they will have time for this, they could do R&D of more general interest and revenue instead. On the other hand giving this lens too much attention, might lead from the sellers' point of view, to an unnecessary waste of time and test the clerks' at Leica and at their dealers patience, since many will report focussing problems, who are less proficient than you. So why not design your own code for the Apo Telyt, Chris? I might adhere because the easier-finding-pics idea I find very good, though I only used it around infinity for landscape and most of the time it waits patiently for a "mirrorless <2k€FF". <- this may not be a loved term in Solms, but it'll come in the first half of the decade. Until then landscape with the M8 and this fabulously good lens. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share #24 Posted May 3, 2010 So why not design your own code for the Apo Telyt, Chris? Neither the time nor skills I fear. In the meantime, I was out for a walk this evening and came across this heron. OK - heron's are great because they stand still - but this was ISO 400 shot at 1/125th hand held - aperture from the Exif given as f6.7 - which feels about right. It prints at A3+ beautifully. Full frame (uncropped) and 100% pixel peep... Oddly, the JPEGS for this are rubbish compared with what you get on paper - but it gives an idea anyway... I rest my case. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119893-m9-135-apo-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1313508'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share #25 Posted May 4, 2010 PS - this was rendered in LR 2.7and gives a much better account of the image - is there something odd going on in LR3 - have to go back and check the JPEG export settings...? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119893-m9-135-apo-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1313831'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 4, 2010 Share #26 Posted May 4, 2010 BTW - re the exif information being inserted manually, at the moment, there seems to be a bug in the firmware and the lens is wrongly named as a 2.8 135 (see shot below - which also shows how well this lens focuses fully open! Carl Bretteville explained what is happening in another thread a few days ago. When you manually code a lens for which there has never been a 6-bit code assigned, the firmware maps part of the EXIF information into one of the coded lenses, for which there are appropriate vignetting corrections available. In the case of the 135/3.4 APO-Telyt, it uses the 135/2.8's assignment. The information is passed as an 8 bit code, the extra two bits describing the position of the frame lever, which I believe usually is 1 = 35/135mm, 2 = 50mm, and 3 = 28/90. But when a lens is assigned manually to pretend to be some other lens, the bits for the frame lever read 0 = unknown. Not many EXIF readers know this. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm23221 Posted May 4, 2010 Share #27 Posted May 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not my most used lens but it is very sharp. I would recommend a viewfinder magnifier to obtain accurate focus especially at f/3.4. It is amongst the sharpest lenses Leica produces and is highly underrated. Works great with the M9, isn't heavy but is long for small bag storage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted May 4, 2010 Not many EXIF readers know this. scott Not many Forum readers knew this either! Yet another reason for Leica to allocate a code? Maybe a write in campaign is called for. Any suggestions for who we should email? The ever helpful Mr Stefan Daniel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted May 4, 2010 Share #29 Posted May 4, 2010 Not many Forum readers knew this either! Yet another reason for Leica to allocate a code? Maybe a write in campaign is called for. Any suggestions for who we should email? The ever helpful Mr Stefan Daniel? Chris, why not ? I agree with this campaign. I do not understand why Leica does not encode the 135mm. My dealer has received a mail from Leica Solms,10 days ago, following my request Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share #30 Posted May 4, 2010 My suggestion is that we write real LETTERS rather than email to Mr Daniel (if he's the right person?) - these tend to have more impact in my experience... I've also just remembered that Mr Daniel did write to me as follows on 18th November 2009: "With regard to the 135mm/f3.4 we have taken the decision not to offer this lens in a coded version, as we cannot guarantee a flawless performance at full open aperture because to the limits of the rangefinder in combination with the digital application. (Film is much more "forgiving" than a CCD). A coded version of the 135mm would imply the full compatibility to the M9. I sincerely hope for your understanding that we won't offer this lens in a coded version, but we have got the request from some users to let appear a warning message on the screen, when a coded lens is put on the camera after a manual selected lens. This at least would make life easier. Please let me have your opinion! " What do others think. A possible draft wording would be... Dear Mr Daniel, While we appreciate Leica's concern that it cannot guarantee a flawless performance from the 135mm / f3.4 Apo-Telyt with the M9, our experience as users is that this is an excellent lens which deserves to be included in the set of lenses supported by the M9 Auto Recognition function. We fully understand that 6 bit coding will not affect the lens's imaging capacity, but would appreciate the convenience of having the correct EXIF data written correctly to the DNG for archive management purposes. As it is, even with the manual code allocation option, the EXIF data does not report accurately to software such as Lightroom (Leica's DNG processing partner software). We hope, therefore, that as part of your responsiveness to your customers' needs, you will include an auto recognition code for the 135 Apo-Telyt in the next firmware release so that the lens can be correctly coded. In the meantime, many thanks for the M9. It is an outstanding imaging tool. Yours etc... What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 4, 2010 Share #31 Posted May 4, 2010 I would support that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2010 Share #32 Posted May 4, 2010 I would support that. That's very nice of you, jaap! Got to buy yours new or from someone else, mine is not for sale Glad you did not sell your 24Lux when the M9 came up. It's a great combo I emulate on film (M6 0.58), dedicated set. Lot of guys sounded upset... if they knew (about 9/9/09), they would have saved the money for the M9 instead and be reusing the 35Lux, instead of 5k for the 24Lux etc. etc. If they tested that lens on FF first (before selling), they would have thought differently. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted May 4, 2010 Share #33 Posted May 4, 2010 My suggestion is that we write real LETTERS rather than email to Mr Daniel (if he's the right person?) - these tend to have more impact in my experience... I've also just remembered that Mr Daniel did write to me as follows on 18th November 2009: "With regard to the 135mm/f3.4 we have taken the decision not to offer this lens in a coded version, as we cannot guarantee a flawless performance at full open aperture because to the limits of the rangefinder in combination with the digital application. (Film is much more "forgiving" than a CCD). A coded version of the 135mm would imply the full compatibility to the M9. I sincerely hope for your understanding that we won't offer this lens in a coded version, but we have got the request from some users to let appear a warning message on the screen, when a coded lens is put on the camera after a manual selected lens. This at least would make life easier. Please let me have your opinion! " What do others think. A possible draft wording would be... Dear Mr Daniel, While we appreciate Leica's concern that it cannot guarantee a flawless performance from the 135mm / f3.4 Apo-Telyt with the M9, our experience as users is that this is an excellent lens which deserves to be included in the set of lenses supported by the M9 Auto Recognition function. We fully understand that 6 bit coding will not affect the lens's imaging capacity, but would appreciate the convenience of having the correct EXIF data written correctly to the DNG for archive management purposes. As it is, even with the manual code allocation option, the EXIF data does not report accurately to software such as Lightroom (Leica's DNG processing partner software). We hope, therefore, that as part of your responsiveness to your customers' needs, you will include an auto recognition code for the 135 Apo-Telyt in the next firmware release so that the lens can be correctly coded. In the meantime, many thanks for the M9. It is an outstanding imaging tool. Yours etc... What do you think? Thank you for sharing these messages. I find the wording of your letter entirely correct : the reasons given are legitimate. I'm starting to write this together,if other LUF friends do this, whether we can change the mind of Leica Solms. I put on the position lens "135 mm" , when I took the pictures shown above, and I did not bring a tripod that day ! probably a mistake on my part . Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chistoso Posted May 4, 2010 Share #34 Posted May 4, 2010 "In the meantime, many thanks for the M9. It is an outstanding imaging tool." It's a pretty good camera, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share #35 Posted May 4, 2010 OK - I'll write to Mr Daniel at Solms. If others do to, it could help move the mountain! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 4, 2010 Share #36 Posted May 4, 2010 imaging tool. Is that what I call a camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted May 4, 2010 Share #37 Posted May 4, 2010 To show the capabilities of this lens, even a photo taken with the M8 this time : the construction of part of my new hospital, took from my office, on the 5th floor , and the workers were at 25-30 meters away from me ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! picture not enlarged Nice shot of the heron , Chris Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! picture not enlarged Nice shot of the heron , Chris Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119893-m9-135-apo-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1314410'>More sharing options...
01af Posted May 4, 2010 Share #38 Posted May 4, 2010 To show the capabilities of this lens, even a photo taken with the M8 this time: the construction of part of my new hospital, took from my office, on the 5th floor, and the workers were at 25 - 30 meters away from me! Yeah ... and you missed focus by a wide margin. Optimum sharpness is not on the workers but on the background—see the bars and tubes and rigging gear on the ground in the upper-right corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 4, 2010 Share #39 Posted May 4, 2010 Glad you did not sell your 24Lux when the M9 came up. The thought never entered my mind. Actually I preferred the 24 over the 21 because of the possibility of a full-frame M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 4, 2010 Share #40 Posted May 4, 2010 ... BTW - re the exif information being inserted manually, at the moment, there seems to be a bug in the firmware and the lens is wrongly named as a 2.8 135 (see shot below - which also shows how well this lens focuses fully open! So the information given in the PDF for firmware 1.116: “Max aperture value” in EXIF data corrected for the following lenses: ... M135mm/f3.4APO (11889) M135mm/f4 (11851,11861)" is not right? Or is it Lightroom, which keeps mixing up the lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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