wlaidlaw Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7641 Posted July 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The only other armoured car I can think of that would have had RAF/RFC roundels on it would be a RR Silver Ghost, which served with the RAF regiment. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7642 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Wilson, More common, more utilitarian and vastly less expensive than a RR Silver Ghost … and no RFC connection. Best wishes dunk Edited July 23, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7643 Posted July 23, 2015 Dunk, It is not one of those weird Alvis-Straussler things made in Hungary, Coventry and Romania, which had the "distinction" of being the only armoured car to be used by both sides (RAF in the UK) in WW2, although I suspect the truth was nearer "broke down for both sides during WW2." Some of them had British Ford V8 engines and some German Ford V8 engines. Apparently some were still in use in Indonesia in the 1970's and Alvis were receiving parts requests. My next door neighbour in the 1970's, who had been a warrant officer in the REME, found a broken down Hungarian Army one in the desert in Libya in 1941, repaired it and used it all the way via Sicily and up through Italy until it finally and irretrievably died somewhere near Milan and was abandoned. I have no idea what they looked like. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7644 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Not an Alvis … the vehicle had much humbler origins. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk Edited July 23, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2859457'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7645 Posted July 23, 2015 Another clue: The vehicle's instigator was a well known and respected public figure. During his lifetime and shortly after WW2 his name was chosen/adopted for that of a well known UK high street ( now more shopping mall ) chain store company to create an impression of the company's honesty and integrity. They are small stores popular with women customers but maybe not so popular with ladies' 'other halves' But the company has no direct connection with the vehicle instigator's well known family. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7646 Posted July 23, 2015 Morris Light Reconnaissance Car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 23, 2015 Share #7647 Posted July 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) No not Morris dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSR Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7648 Posted July 24, 2015 Frustration got me finally and I trawled the Bovingdon collection and the IWM... I found it but still none the wiser! Young fury animal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7649 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Frustration got me finally and I trawled the Bovingdon collection and the IWM... I found it but still none the wiser! Young fury animal? If you think you've discovered the maker/model/type please post same Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk Edited July 24, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2859885'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7650 Posted July 24, 2015 The 'type ' is easy … it's the make and model which is required … but the clues have been given. Another clue: 'Express' as in broadsheet during that era. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7651 Posted July 24, 2015 Is it a Standard Beaverette? I thought the Express link was to a Crusader but that is a much heavier and more professional vehicle built by AEC. Don't understand the womens' chain store link. Standard was run by either Reg Maudseley or Captain John Black, neither of which are womens' shops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7652 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Yes Wilson it's a Standard Beaverette named after Lord Beaverbrook who during WW2 was Minister of Supply, Minister of War Production and Minister of Aircraft Production … Beaverbrook Newspapers owned the Daily Express and Beaverbrooks the jewellery chain previously known as Adelstones nicked the name c.1949 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Photos of the Mk III Beaverette at Duxford IWM taken with R9/DMR . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Beaverette Best wishes dunk Edited July 24, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Photos of the Mk III Beaverette at Duxford IWM taken with R9/DMR . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Beaverette Best wishes dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2859923'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7653 Posted July 24, 2015 interesting Beaverette link http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/page772.html dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7654 Posted July 24, 2015 There was a Beaverette lying about in the Standard-Triumph works in Coventry, when I went there trying to sell them guarantee management systems (without success) in 1970. I asked if it was to go into action at the next strike, which went down like a lead balloon. I had only got an appointment there because my parents had the next door apartment in Spain to Donald Stokes' sister and my mother did all her Spanish paperwork. My mother in law had a post war Standard 12, on which my wife had her first driving lessons. Given its lethargy without any armour plating, I would imagine that you would have needed considerable advance notice of an attack, to reach your defence point in a Beaverette. My guess is that it was the English equivalent of a "pork barrel contract". Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 24, 2015 Share #7655 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Beaverette had a 14hp engine fitted to a 12hp chassis - so had a little more power - but power/weight ratio was much worse than that of the car. Maybe OK (ish) for airfield duty if no hills to climb Looks as if whoever designed the armour plating might have used a Meccano set for a model of the prototype dunk Edited July 24, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 25, 2015 Share #7656 Posted July 25, 2015 Don't think this one will tax folks too far. My new acquisition of this week. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2860435'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted July 25, 2015 Share #7657 Posted July 25, 2015 Hmmmmm……………………painted '50s or '60s style motorcycle wire-wheels, with hub-mounted disc brakes, and cycle fenders. Arriving at an answer based on a process of logical elimination ( he pretensiously mused) that can only be one vehicle - it's the current production Morgan three-wheeler with the Chicago, Illinois produced 2-liter 45 degree twin. JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 26, 2015 Share #7658 Posted July 26, 2015 I should have guessed this because you've previously mentioned your experience when applying for road tax. I looked at vintage Lanchester cars thinking they are the only vehicles which have wire spoke wheels and disc brakes. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 26, 2015 Share #7659 Posted July 26, 2015 John, Absolutely correct a 2012 Mk.1 M3W, which I collected last week. I was driving my brother's Mk.2 the previous week-end, which has cured the pretty dreadful bump-steer of the Mk.1 but has lost its almost telepathic steering in consequence and seems to have more understeer. The bevel box, which turns the drive 90º from the back of the Mazda MX5 gearbox to drive the toothed belt to the single rear wheel has also been changed and is now slightly lower geared and rubber mounted. This reduces the deafening howl to just a loud whine. I liked the rubber mounting but not the lower gearing. The Mk.2 also has a cooling fan for the engine for traffic jams. My Mk.1's fuel injection deliberately goes onto 8 stroking (cuts fuel off for every alternate power stroke) if it overheats while stationary, after the cylinder head temperatures reach 150ºC, at which point you have either to pull off to let it cool down or turn onto a road where you can get out of the jam. When it is 8 stroking, the vibration is bad enough to blur your vision! Morgan in reality, is still the same awful company it has always been. This is my fourth Morgan, 1929 Aero Blackburn SS three wheeler, 1965 racing 4/4, 1969 Lotus Twin Cam engined 4/4. Their idea of R&D is to give the cars to customers, to see what breaks, falls off or is unliveable with. My 2012 LHD car which has done just over 4000 km, is on its third version of the charging controller/rectifier box, second version of the bevel box, second version of the cushion drive/flywheel. You have to go everything with a set of spanners every couple of weeks to tighten all the nuts up. Morgan do not have an NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) division and everything rattles and shakes on the car. Nevertheless it is great fun to drive at legal speeds on French roads and generates more smiles and thumbs-ups from onlookers than any other car I have driven. We got quite close to Peter Morgan in the late 1960's, as our space framed, carbon/glass fibre bodied, Martin F2 engined 4/4 "Mod-Sports" Morgan was the fastest racing Morgan in the UK at the time and probably in the world. I recall asking Peter why he still used black japanned mild steel screws to hold the aluminium panels onto the ash wood frame, as they always rusted from the residual moisture in the ash and the electrolytic action from the differing metals of steel and aluminium, which then split the ash framing. I suggested that stainless steel screws or at the very least, galvanised steel screws would be far better. "My dear chap, do you realise that would cost me £3 per car" was Peter's response. We also demonstrated to him, the vast improvement in steering that resulted from changing from the standard Burman Gears worm and peg steering box to a rack and pinion system. "My customers like the traditional poor steering" was what he said. We gave up! Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2860673'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 26, 2015 Share #7660 Posted July 26, 2015 I forgot to mention one additional benefit. At night you can see the exhaust manifolds glowing bright cherry red. if you hit any birds or rabbits on the road, by the time you reach home, they are nicely cooked. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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