stuny Posted March 26 Share #23281 Posted March 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was distracted when I wrote the above reply to Wilson, and meant to write, "correct country, incorrect marque, nearly the correct year." So, it's still a mystery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Hi stuny, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted March 27 Share #23282 Posted March 27 If it is not a Mercedes then from the "Tiger shooting spot lamp" I would guess a Horch 853 Cabriolet? Never sure just how many tigers one could expect to come across on an Autobahn journey, but it seemed to be a standard fitting on Horch cars. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 27 Share #23283 Posted March 27 Interesting guess and reasoning, but no cigar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 27 Share #23284 Posted March 27 A second crop: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5777653'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 27 Share #23285 Posted March 27 Well I know it is not a BMW 327, since as far as I know all their cabriolets were two door, so I suppose the only one left is a Maybach SW-38, maybe the one at the Southward Car Museum, Paraparaumu, NZ. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 27 Share #23286 Posted March 27 Exactly it. You win. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5777731'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 27 Share #23287 Posted March 27 Advertisement (gone after registration) Open to all to post. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted March 27 Share #23288 Posted March 27 I'll take another crack at this with another very rare example ( only two ever produced) of a 'show car'. Name of manufacturer and /or model designation please. I'll leave it up a little longer this time in the hope that we will receive more than one reply. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5777985'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 28 Share #23289 Posted March 28 Looks like '50s to early '60s, NOT US Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted March 28 Share #23290 Posted March 28 Early 1950's, and indeed not US, rather, all European. I made a mistake in my above description......not two but four examples were made. JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 28 Share #23291 Posted March 28 Could that be a Siata? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted March 28 Share #23292 Posted March 28 (edited) Wilson, not a SIATA, but it is an all-Italian effort and the histories of the makers of both cars ( SIATA & the above puzzle car) parallel each other fairly closely, both chronologically as well as 'specializing' in donor cars from the same manufacturer. Since I only have one usable image of this car I need to dose my crops sparingly, therefore instead of an additional crop, let me say that the image above does contain a revealing and important clue to the cars identity, which visually links it to very famous series of styling studies designed and produced concurrently with our present puzzle car by the same carrozeria / designer who also sketched this car..... a series which, if memory serves me correctly, you identified in a previous post. JZG Edited March 28 by Ivan Goriup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 28 Share #23293 Posted March 28 The donor car is likely a FIAT. I think Wilson's last carrozeria was Touring. That info is either incorrect, or it doesn't help me solve the puzzle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 28 Share #23294 Posted March 28 Could it be one of the few Type 204 cars that Abarth acquired on the liquidation of Cisitalia and completed? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted March 28 Share #23295 Posted March 28 Yes, FIAT-based, and No, neither Abarth nor Cisitalia were involved with this project, but rather than try to construct another coy and oblique hint .....how about another crop. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5778469'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 29 Share #23296 Posted March 29 Fiat Moretti Sportiva? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 29 Share #23297 Posted March 29 1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said: Fiat Moretti Sportiva? Wilson I forgot about the Fiat Moretti Sportiva, which i thought looked a bit like a mini FIAT Dino coupe. But if memory serves, those were at least a decade later than the Moretti. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted March 29 Share #23298 Posted March 29 (edited) Nope...no Moretti content either. Sadly, I believe we have arrived at the point where the only thing left to do is to reveal what the car actually is: it is a 1953 Bertone - Stanguellini 1100 TV Coupe. Based on a Stanguellini-modified FIAT Tipo 103, upgraded to a 70 HP 1100cc twin-cam 4 cylinder motor with twin-choke Weber carburetor, special intake manifold & high-compression, twin cam cylinder head , different gear set and Alfin drum brakes, the car was designed by Franco Scaglione and built by / at Bertone. The lower portion of the 'chassis pan; was retained, with a new 'top' steel body structure added, with aluminum hood, doors and rear hatch fior lightness. This was at the same time that Scaglione and Bertone were producing the Berlinetta Aerodinamica Tecnica BAT series of Alfa-Romeos and it is widely thought that this particular excercize was essentially to be a 'production' version of the BAT 5 model, the car thought by Scaglione and Bertone to be the most adaptable to a street-driven version of the outlandish Alfa BAT show cars. Please see the rear view of the bare unibody chassis on a stand during restoration at Concorso Italiano the year before it was displayed at Pebble Beach to appreciate the resemblance to the BAT 5 design. You can really see the BAT similarity in the image on the rolling stand, with the 'split window rear glass and the greatly reduced rear 'fins'. The car enjoyed additional publicity when it was shown at the New York Auto show in '54, where Briggs Cunningham purchased this very car from the stand and presented it to his wife Laura as an anniversary present. He was at the time racing a Stanguellini race car with the same jewel-like twin cam motor as this coupe. I guess it's anyone's turn...... I am going to take break. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 29 by Ivan Goriup 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5778714'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 29 Share #23299 Posted March 29 Interesting that the engine makes 70HP. The formula junior people believe that for the push rod version of the Fiat 1100 engine, 72 BHP is the absolute maximum the bottom end will take. If you try for 73 BHP, either the crank or con rods will fail. My brother raced an OSCA in the front engined class of FJ for a while, with the Fiat 1100 engine but much preferred his Lola Mk.2-Ford FJ, as it was a lot faster and more reliable. Another friend raced an Autosud FJ with the same Fiat engine (commonly called "The Awful Sod"). That car has now gone to New Zealand, where they permit FJ cars to race with 1600cc engines. For a while, FIA and FIVA, who police historic racing, did not cotton on to folks bringing back Italian FJ cars from New Zealand and racing against the folks running the correct 1100cc engines in Europe. it all came to head at a Monaco Historic Meeting, where the sight of Italian Fiat engined FJ cars overtaking the Ford engined cars in a straight line, made it obvious cheating was going on. It was particularly galling for the Ford engine users, as some of them had had to pay quite a lot of money earlier that year, to convert their engines back from dry sump to wet sump, after the FIVA banned dry sump engines for the front engined FJ class. The dry sump Ford-Cosworth 1100 cc engines, will produce 125 BHP, so the FIVA was quite correct to ban them. Wilson 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted April 3 Share #23300 Posted April 3 (edited) Oddly enough my thoughts had turned to the BAT cars due to Ivan's comments in post #23292 and seemed to be strengthened by the similarity of the headlamp-cowl treatment in his subsequent post #23295 with the Lincoln Futura-based 'Original' Batmobile from the 1966 TV series but I was absolutely unable to imagine any link(s) between all these vehicles when taken together as a group. Fascinating car with a back-story to match. Thanks for posting! Philip. Edited April 3 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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