Ivan Goriup Posted June 14 Share #23521 Posted June 14 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Ignore the above post, please....did not take the time to read Philip's post # 23519 & just plowed ahead.....sorry for the confusion. As usual Philip is correct - it is indeed a 1975 Ferrari 365 GTB4 Michelotti NART ( Luigi Chinetti's North American Racing Team ). 5 of these were requested by Chinetti to be converted to the Michelotti designed re-bodied version with one of the 5 being one of the 15 'Competizione' Daytona models ( the red, white and blue one) intended to be NART's entry for the 1975 LeMans 24 hours, exactly 10 years after the team's surprise victory in their 250 LM. An hour before the start of the race, Chinetti and the infamous & always difficult to deal with ASO officials got into a red-faced, nose-to-nose argument about another one of the NART entries, a 'lowly' 308GT4, which they claimed to be 'outside of the rules' over some petty irregularity, and in fit of anger Chinetti withdrew his entire team. To compound its controversial history, the car was then entered in the 1978 Daytona 24 hours race, only to be immediately, and successfully protested by Peter Gregg, who claimed that it wasn't actually a 'Daytona' at all- incidentally, Gregg went on to win the race in his Porsche. After that debacle, the car was purchased by racer/ oilman legend John Mecom and resold several times as a road-legal collector car. Your turn, Philip. Thanks for playing, I'll have to sit things out for a while - got some fly-fishing, some road trips planned, contractors coming.....etc.etc. See you soon, JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 14 by Ivan Goriup 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5817408'>More sharing options...
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pippy Posted June 14 Share #23522 Posted June 14 8 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said: ...An hour before the start of the race, Chinetti and the infamous & always difficult to deal with ASO officials got into a red-faced, nose-to-nose argument about another one of the NART entries, a 'lowly' 308GT4, which they claimed to be 'outside of the rules' over some petty irregularity, and in fit of anger Chinetti withdrew his entire team... Have a great time and I hope the fish are jumping for you! The only reason I knew the car was because it features in the book 'Ferraris at Le Mans' by Dominique Pascal which I picked up way back in 1987. At first I thought that the publishers had inserted the wrong photograph!...... Apparently the NART 308, although having qualified, was deemed (by some rather officious ACO regulators) to be "too slow" for the Group 5 class in which it would race despite the fact that it had already raced at La Sarthe the previous year hence Chinetti's quite understandable (IMO) rage. Going slightly off-GTB/4 tangent the reason that Chinetti had entered the 308 in 1974 is, in itself, interesting. I had read various differing accounts about the Dino but some time back I came across an article about the car on the www which has an explanation which seems plausible. I quote; "The oil crisis of the 1970s was a curious time for Ferrari dealers, especially those in the United States, a market which had outlawed the then-flagship V12-powered 365 GT4 BB and 365 GT4 on the grounds of emissions. As a result, in 1975, the only new Ferrari American customers could buy was the wedge-shaped 308 GT4, a car which didn’t actually have a Prancing Horse on its nose but rather a square emblem bearing the name Dino. Chinetti needed to raise demand for the baby 308 GT4, and quickly. The most logical course of action? Well, isn’t it obvious? Take the car racing, of course!..." I'll sort something out soon! Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 14 Share #23523 Posted June 14 (edited) OK; how about this one? Might seem too straightforward(?) but perhaps it isn't...... I couldn't get any views apart from full-frontal and a slight front 3/4 so there aren't gong to be any side-on / rear pics but hopefully someone will recognise the thing. Good Luck All! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Edited June 14 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5817607'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 14 Share #23524 Posted June 14 Start with the obvious: A Bugatti Type 35? Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted June 14 Share #23525 Posted June 14 Not enough louvres? I’m thinking possibly a less well-known French manufacturer… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 14 Share #23526 Posted June 14 Yes; I did consider that Ettore's masterpiece might get a mention... No, Wilson, not a Bugatti of any number. Nigel is correct in both counts; thinking that it is French and from a lesser-known maker. I'll find another crop when I get a chance; bit busy at the mo! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 14 Share #23527 Posted June 14 Advertisement (gone after registration) Second crop; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5817814'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 14 Share #23528 Posted June 14 What about an Amilcar C6? Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 14 Share #23529 Posted June 14 Had another thought, a 1928 BNC Monza, which had a sloped back radiator like the mystery car. The problem is that all my reference books are back in the UK. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 14 Share #23530 Posted June 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Had another thought, a 1928 BNC Monza, which had a sloped back radiator like the mystery car. The problem is that all my reference books are back in the UK.... It would appear that the lack of Reference Books is, in this instance at any rate, not an insurmountable obstacle for you Wilson. Correct in all details. This is yet another little treasure to be found in the absolutely wonderful - family-run - Musée Automobile de Vendée in the town of Talmont-Saint-Hilaire. As alluded to earlier it wasn't possible to get 360 degree views so in terms of a 'full reveal' these snaps will have to suffice; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Interesting company! Here's a link to the Wiki entry for anyone who might have a bit of curiosity; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollack_Netter_and_Co Thanks for playing! Philip. Edited June 14 by pippy 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Interesting company! Here's a link to the Wiki entry for anyone who might have a bit of curiosity; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollack_Netter_and_Co Thanks for playing! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5817891'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 15 Share #23531 Posted June 15 Philip, Thanks for posting that lovely little racing voiturette. What a shame that 1930s dire economic conditions in Europe following the Wall Street Crash, did for so many of these little innovative French companies. Open to all to post. Wilson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted June 15 Share #23532 Posted June 15 I was heading down the Amilcar and also maybe more niche Sénéchal route before the radiator shot (they only had vertical radiators AFAIK) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 15 Share #23533 Posted June 15 There was at least one Senechal Sport S, built with a sloped back radiator, raced by Barney in Australia with some success. It may have been modified locally to improve the streamlining. It is still around today, back in France. The owner of Senechal, Robert Senechal had more success later in the V12 S15 Delage GP, as a works driver. The V12 Delage has the distinction of being the oldest car ever to race in a grand prix, when a 1927 car raced in a 1950 Grand Prix, at the grand old age of 23. Of course with only around 180 BHP, the Delage was outclassed by the winning Alfa Romeo 158 cars with around 400 BHP. Wilson 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted June 15 Share #23534 Posted June 15 (edited) … Edited June 15 by a.j.z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted June 17 Share #23535 Posted June 17 Let's see where this one leads us........the usual tidbits, if you please. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5819255'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17 Share #23536 Posted June 17 Aston Martin Valour although the colour makes me doubt that answer. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted June 17 Share #23537 Posted June 17 (edited) The Valour doesn’t have rear wing vents AFAIK - but it certainly has “presence” having had one behind me in Bourton-on-the-Water whilst pottering along in my Bristol (in the 20mph limit) Rivets and window details make me suspect this is not necessarily a road car 😉 Edited June 17 by NigelG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted June 17 Share #23538 Posted June 17 Maybe “off base” but I’m wondering if this is a niche US car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17 Share #23539 Posted June 17 1 hour ago, NigelG said: Maybe “off base” but I’m wondering if this is a niche US car? Obvious and prominent rivets make me wonder that as well. Last time I saw rivets that prominent on a car was the pop rivets on the XJ220, a friend was selling from his garage. I would have been horrified as an owner to see how shoddily it was thrown together, held together with black plastic insulating tape and assorted cable ties. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 17 Share #23540 Posted June 17 There are some design features which are reminiscent of a 1970 Ferrari 512S Protoype such as the deeply-slatted engine cover but other bits - such as the rear haunches - don't seem to fit in at all. I'm sure I've come across this car somewhere before but, annoyingly, can't for the life of me remember where... Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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