wlaidlaw Posted November 13, 2024 Share #22821 Posted November 13, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) Philip, Might that be an Argyll from around 1913? Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pippy Posted November 13, 2024 Share #22822 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Philip, Might that be an Argyll from around 1913? Wilson The year is absolutely correct, Wilson, but no; not an Argyle. Not even Scottish! Hope that doesn't give away too much info?......😸...... Philip. Edited November 13, 2024 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 13, 2024 Share #22823 Posted November 13, 2024 Philip, The other maker with a radiator in this unique shape was a Mors, so maybe a model RX? This company was run latterly by André Citroen, who stamped out all their ambition and individuality, just making them an assembler of mediocre proprietary parts, in contrast to their earlier technological expertise, when their very successful race cars were designed by Charles Henry Brasier (first V engine, first car with proper shock absorbers etc etc). In 1925 Andre Citroen bought their plant, closed them down and started to make his own cars there. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 13, 2024 Share #22824 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) 59 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: ...The other maker with a radiator in this unique shape was a Mors, so maybe a model RX?... Wilson A Tick and a Star, Wilson! Very well identified indeed. It is, as you say across both posts, a 1913 Mors RX. There are many beautiful design touches on the car and, in particular, I did like how the form of the marque's radiator Art Nouveau-inspired name-badge mirrors the shape of the radiator itself; Frontal once more (with badge removed); Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Badge; Full Thing; ...and, finally, the Museum's spec. sheet; Congratulations once more. Philip. Edited November 13, 2024 by pippy 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Badge; Full Thing; ...and, finally, the Museum's spec. sheet; Congratulations once more. Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5696648'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 13, 2024 Share #22825 Posted November 13, 2024 As usual with me, open to anyone who would like to post a new image. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 15, 2024 Share #22826 Posted November 15, 2024 Who would like to step in for Wilson and post the next mystery car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 17, 2024 Share #22827 Posted November 17, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) Who would like to step in for Wilson and post the next mystery car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 17, 2024 Share #22828 Posted November 17, 2024 OK; let's try this one. At the moment I'm not sure I know exactly what it is myself. Some 'Sherlocking' is on the To-Do List chez moi......😸...... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5702181'>More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted November 17, 2024 Share #22829 Posted November 17, 2024 French? 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 17, 2024 Share #22830 Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) My guess would be a 20HP Renault or Panhard Eight from mid 1920's. I have a picture of a similar Panhard at the Rochetaille museum in central France. Wilson Edited November 17, 2024 by wlaidlaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 17, 2024 Share #22831 Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, a.j.z said: French? 😉 I Didn't Touch It!......😸...... 1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said: My guess would be a 20HP Renault or Panhard Eight from mid 1920's... Well done chaps. French is correct; 1920's is correct; Renault is correct. This crop gives three useful clues as far as identifying the model-type is concerned and narrrowing-down the year of manufacture to within a three-year timeframe. It even gives a clue as to how it might have spent the early part of its life!..... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Edited November 17, 2024 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5702375'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22832 Posted November 18, 2024 Possibly a Type NN from 1922 with coachwork by Labourette. Might have been a taxi at one time. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22833 Posted November 18, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Possibly a Type NN from 1922 with coachwork by Labourette. Might have been a taxi at one time... You are almost there, Wilson. Although very similar it is not an NN nor as early as '22. It was, as you suspect, a taxi! The puzzle car was Renault's replacement for the NN so slightly later. The 'mystery' shared a great many of the design elements from the earlier car but was underpowered and, in commercial terms, considered a failure in relative terms. I suspect as you are already so close this will be the last crop-pic needed for the coconut-award. The main 'clue' shown in the snap is the roughly quadrant-shaped escutcheon at the lower-end of the 'Renault' plaque cover for the spare wheel. In 'real life' this carrries the model-name (which, here, has been cloned-out); Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Some nice detailing on this car. I love the 'STOP' feature seen on the brake-light! Philip. Edited November 18, 2024 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Some nice detailing on this car. I love the 'STOP' feature seen on the brake-light! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5703049'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22834 Posted November 18, 2024 THE production NN1 was about 1927, and since this was a taxi it would be a production model, not a prototype. It's also very similar to the longer NN2 which I think wasn't until 1930, so that one is out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22835 Posted November 18, 2024 I suspect a Monasix, which was then renamed RY when the radiator was moved from the traditional early Renault layout behind the engine to the front grille. Given the frequent over-bodying of these cars, I suspect this was to cure chronic overheating during summer months. Sales were poor according to Georgano, as the baby six 1450cc engine lacked the low down torque required to lug these often Pullman carriage sized greenhouses around. The Monasix/RY was made from 1927 to 1929, when it was superceded by the very mildly improved Monastella/RY1. I have driven its big brother the Reinastella, which had a 7 litre straight eight, producing a miserable 75 BHP from its huge engine. This is less power than Rolls Royce were getting from their Silver Ghost 20+ years earlier. Wilson 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22836 Posted November 18, 2024 (edited) 56 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: I suspect a Monasix, which was then renamed RY when the radiator was moved from the traditional early Renault layout behind the engine to the front grille. Given the frequent over-bodying of these cars, I suspect this was to cure chronic overheating during summer months. Sales were poor according to Georgano, as the baby six 1450cc engine lacked the low down torque required to lug these often Pullman carriage sized greenhouses around. The Monasix/RY was made from 1927 to 1929, when it was superceded by the very mildly improved Monastella/RY1. I have driven its big brother the Reinastella, which had a 7 litre straight eight, producing a miserable 75 BHP from its huge engine. This is less power than Rolls Royce were getting from their Silver Ghost 20+ years earlier. Wilson Correct, Wilson. It is a 1929 Renault Monasix (type, I believe, RY-1 but I'm reliant on wiki for this info!). According to that source; "Starting in 1928, the "Compagnie Générale des voitures à Paris", the main Paris taxi company, purchased a large number of the cars and painted them in the same shade of green as that used for the city's buses: 5,000 taxi versions were made, the last of which were used in Paris until 1962." A few pics of the whole thing; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! As can be seen it is a LARGE thing; dwarfing the delightful Peugeot 204 Cabrio which was parked alongside. I suspect that this has alonger-than-usual wheelbase. The info-sheet (not seen here) describes is as being a 5-seat Taxi with a "Séparation Chauffeur" which might explain the larger-than-expected panel between front and rear doors as seen in the top pic. I might, on the other hand, well be mistaken as I don't kow what these cars usually look like! I'm not quite sure what the situation was but there were a handful of rather interesting vehicles in this small town-centre parking area. Apart from these two mentioned there was a c. 1974 Series 4 Pontiac GTO (the rear of which is just visible in the top-most of these photo's); a mid '60s Mustang 'Notchback'; an early chrome-bumper MGB and one or two others. At a guess (judging from the position of those vehicles still here) there had been a vintage car meet arranged for lunchtime and by the time we chanced upon the place these were the 'remainders' after others had departed. Well Done to Wilson and thanks for playing! Philip. EDIT : Here is the link to the Wiki entry if anyone is curious to know more; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Monasix Edited November 18, 2024 by pippy 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! As can be seen it is a LARGE thing; dwarfing the delightful Peugeot 204 Cabrio which was parked alongside. I suspect that this has alonger-than-usual wheelbase. The info-sheet (not seen here) describes is as being a 5-seat Taxi with a "Séparation Chauffeur" which might explain the larger-than-expected panel between front and rear doors as seen in the top pic. I might, on the other hand, well be mistaken as I don't kow what these cars usually look like! I'm not quite sure what the situation was but there were a handful of rather interesting vehicles in this small town-centre parking area. Apart from these two mentioned there was a c. 1974 Series 4 Pontiac GTO (the rear of which is just visible in the top-most of these photo's); a mid '60s Mustang 'Notchback'; an early chrome-bumper MGB and one or two others. At a guess (judging from the position of those vehicles still here) there had been a vintage car meet arranged for lunchtime and by the time we chanced upon the place these were the 'remainders' after others had departed. Well Done to Wilson and thanks for playing! Philip. EDIT : Here is the link to the Wiki entry if anyone is curious to know more; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Monasix ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5703105'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22837 Posted November 18, 2024 Open to all as usual. It is interesting that Renault in their current F1 efforts, still seem to have difficulty in extracting a decent amount of horsepower from their engine, just like they did in 1930 with the 7 litre Reinastella. Oh well that's me off Luca de Meo's Christmas card list. Wilson 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 18, 2024 Share #22838 Posted November 18, 2024 5 hours ago, pippy said: ...As can be seen it is a LARGE thing; dwarfing the delightful Peugeot 204 Cabrio... Ooops! Brain-Fart Time once again. The sot-top Peugeot is, of course, a 304 and not, as I typed, a 204. Thought I had better correct myself...... Apologies! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 19, 2024 Share #22839 Posted November 19, 2024 Who would like to step in for Wilson and post the next mystery car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 21, 2024 Share #22840 Posted November 21, 2024 No takers? Let's try this one. All the usuals. please Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=5707787'>More sharing options...
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