a.j.z Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14521 Posted February 3, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 3 Stunden schrieb pippy: ... Nice, confusing shot, Andreas! ... Philip. Apologies but this was the only chance that this one would last a little. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 Hi a.j.z, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14522 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, a.j.z said: Apologies but this was the only chance that this one would last a little. Absolutely no need of an apology, Andreas; I was serious when I said I thought it a nice choice of view! Confusing, yes, but that's (partly) the idea behind the thread isn't it? Having seen the second crop, however, it would appear, because of the bonnet shut-line near the scuttle, that it isn't an Eclat (nor an Elite) but a Series 1 Esprit. Philip. Edited February 3, 2021 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14523 Posted February 3, 2021 Philip is correct! I should have looked harder 🙄. The Esprit S1 has the correct chrome lettering/badge on the small painted section of tailgate below the chrome window surround. On the Elite/Eclat the window opens by itself as the tailgate leaving the lettering behind on the bodywork below. I remember as a youngster seeing the Esprit S1 at its motor show launch resplendent in Colorado Orange - never did get the coveted brochure tho’... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14524 Posted February 3, 2021 And here is the full view Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4132814'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14525 Posted February 3, 2021 Beautiful car! I loved them when I was a kid and I still think it's one of the very greatest designs of the 'Wedge' generation. Just gorgeous. I've never had the chance to so much as sit in a S1 Esprit but I did have the opportunity to sample three different versions of the S4 (and other Lotus models) on a race track(!) during a Lotus Driving Day. With each different car we were first driven around by a Lotus test-driver - many of whom were responsible for the final road-going versions - who would advise on cornering lines / throttle openings / gear changes with - and for - each different car. The 'Base' S4 was quite superb; the GT3 was truly phenomenal but the twin-turbo V8 was - and remains to this day - easily the scariest car I've ever had the opportunity to drive 'properly'. I'll try to sort out a new poser tonight! Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14526 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) Alors! If the bottom of the picture-barrel was within sight last time I searched for an entrant this time the scraping has started! Bit of a simple one in some (obvious) ways yet a weird one (in some very obscure) ways at the same time. Full Disclosure? I had no idea about the existence of this car before I saw it. The 'basic car' (for want of a better description) is a Very Well-known Shape from an extremely well known manufacturer but from what I've (not!) been able to discover subsequently about this car it is the powertrain which is unusual (unique?) to this vehicle. There IS a sort of hint (sort of?) in the snap as well as a secondary clue for the eagle-eyed vexillologists amongst us... I can find literally no new (to me) information about this car anywhere on the web! It was built by (and I translate / quote from the only source I have!); "Built in 19XX by Xxx Xxxxxxxxx, Head (Team Leader?) of the Ecurie Xxx Xxxxx in Xxxxxxxxx OK; Not asking for much. Just who painted the flags on the scuttle Name and (basic) model number. Have a go and see where we get! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Very Best of Luck Everyone! Philip. Edited February 3, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Very Best of Luck Everyone! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4132914'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14527 Posted February 3, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does it have a cats heart? (XK 150/E-Type) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14528 Posted February 3, 2021 Is it the 1935 Count Trossi car with the 16 cylinder radial two stroke engine - 8 power cylinders and 8 compression cylinders? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14529 Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rona!d said: Does it have a cats heart? (XK 150/E-Type) More like a Cat's Dinner (mouser.../mauser.../XXXXXX...)..... Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14530 Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: Is it the 1935 Count Trossi car with the 16 cylinder radial two stroke engine - 8 power cylinders and 8 compression cylinders? Crikey! Thank you, Wilson, for suggesting that because, having no idea if it was or not I googled the important bit and was impressed! No; not that particular car. Many connections to the car in question, though, so we're getting somewhere! I'll post another (hopefully helpful) snap soon! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14531 Posted February 3, 2021 Philip, It came to mind as we had dealings with the Trossi estate, trying to get provenance of the chassis numbers for our 1936 and 1938 6CM Maseratis. They were incredibly helpful and from their records and the chassis plates, we were able to prove that both of them were works voiturette cars driven by Count Trossi. Although apparently identical, the 38 car was far more powerful, with 250 BHP from its 1500 supercharged engine, against 185 BHP for the earlier car. Wilson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14532 Posted February 3, 2021 Fascinating stuff, Wilson! Thank you very much for that. The story of all of these cars is now of such interest and historical importance - leaving aside the monetary value aspect for a mo' - that it is truly wonderful to have ascertained the details from the original source. My congratulations for the fruits of your labour! And, yes, you are very much in the right area as far as both car and engine-type are concerned. Something else to confirm much of what Wilson has inferred; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4132987'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 3, 2021 Share #14533 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) A couple more to help the cogs in their turning... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P. EDIT : I have not retouched a Sun from the Argenti......Second Flag!....it's like that! Edited February 4, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P. EDIT : I have not retouched a Sun from the Argenti......Second Flag!....it's like that! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4133003'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14534 Posted February 4, 2021 This reminds me of the 6C 34 (Ex-Nuvolari) I have seen in the collection of Umberto Panini. edit: talking bullshit. The later model 6CM. The Argentian flag on yours may hint to Fangio who drove the 4CL/CLT/CLT48. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14535 Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Rona!d said: This reminds me of the 6C... I think, given the ridiculous nature of the beast, that it is now up to you to find the next subject! Bravo!!! It is a 3.8l 6 cylinder 1948 "Maserati-Alexander Rafaella Specialle" built for 'Don Alexander' who was, apparently, the major figure of the Argentine-based 'Ecurie San Esidro'. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 4, 2021 by pippy 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4133016'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14536 Posted February 4, 2021 Crazy car. I think Wilson should proceed. I much prefer the "used" look of this beast over the super refined shiny museum cars we usually see. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14537 Posted February 4, 2021 Some of the old European race cars went overseas after war and had been fitted with the craziest (then modern) parts that´s why I initially thought they put a cats heart into it. In a way a "Listernized" pre-war monoposto I thought. @ Wilson: Over to you! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14538 Posted February 4, 2021 I regret guys that due to continuing COVID incarceration, I still have no new images. Can anyone else please step in? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14539 Posted February 4, 2021 Like Wilson, my inventory is also becoming depleted, therefore I'll take the liberty of posting something I encountered in 2015 - of a car I'd never even heard of until I saw two of them at a local Cars 'n Coffee. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4133372'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 4, 2021 Share #14540 Posted February 4, 2021 John, that might keep the guys thinking for a while. I have no clue at first sight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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