stuny Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10721 Â Posted February 9, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Still interested, but a bit stuck. The type of headlight adjustment suggests pre recent lighting, and the spoiler adjustment is rather crude. The strake or plane below the headlight is the most up to date detail, and it seems to be rear engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10722  Posted February 9, 2018 Sadly, interest and participation in this thread seems to have dwindled alarmingly of late, with only a handful of the 'usual suspects' taking part, however, I continue to believe it's worthwhile, fun and informative -  therefore I'm posting the following during Wilson'a absence.  Please identify the model of Ferrari based on the two details.  JZG   I'm still interested but running short of suitable entries … thus reluctant to post answers. However, UK 'classic car meetings' recommence in the spring with photo opportunities for potential 'Name this car' submissions.  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10723  Posted February 9, 2018 Thank you Stuart & Dunk.........perfectly understandable.  Re the present subject, here are some additional clues.  Re the rear 'spoiler',  I wouldn't charcterize it as crude, rahter would describe it as race-car functional. In testing the car for its intended use as a high-speed endurance racer, some instability was noted and the recently invented 'Gurney-flap' was added. I submit, Stuart, that's what you probablly saw that looked crude, but remember that this was the infancy of modern automotive aerodynamics following decades of blindly following Kamm-theory, and the flap has to be vertically adjustable to adapt the car ( downforce ) to various  tracks. Dan Gurney, who passed just last month found the adding an adjustable, protruding lip at the rear to manipulate airflow could have a profound effect on the way the rear-end of the car behaved. As sophisticated as aerodynamics and windtunnel studies have become, the 'Gurney flap' principle is still universally used in automotive and aeronautical designs.  BTW Stuart,  not presuming to correct you or to be pedantic, but Ferrari never produced a rear-engined vehicle, only front and mid-engined devices - this example is of the latter variety.  As a final hint, think "Cobra-Ferrari Wars".  JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3458373'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10724  Posted February 9, 2018 I would probably go for a 330P2 but as a second guess a 206P but an early one without the twin headlights of the majority of them.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10725  Posted February 9, 2018 1967 Ferrari 330 P4.  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10726  Posted February 9, 2018 1967 Ferrari 330 P4.  dunk   There's the correct answer - 1967 Ferrari 330 P3/4 Drogo. In fact, it's the actual winner of the '67 1000km of Monza endurance race, as well as a 2nd place in the famous 1-2-3 staged finish at the 24 Hrs. of Daytona that Enzo arranged to return the humiliation that Henry Ford II heaped upon Ferrari the year before when they too a 1-2-3 finish at the samew race.  Currently the car is owned by Lance Stroll's ( the 2017 Williams F1 driver ) father and is the best & by far most original remaining example of the three P4s produced - truly a magnificent automobile, and in my opinion, also one of the most devastatingly beautiful of all Ferrari ever.  Thanks for playing,  JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3458641'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10727  Posted February 9, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Another view.............  JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3458643'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10728  Posted February 9, 2018 .................and the final, full frontal view.  JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3458646'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 9, 2018 Share #10729  Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Regret I do not have anything suitable or ready for the next round and I'm out all day Saturday … so if someone can find a car for the next round please go ahead.  dunk Edited February 9, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted February 10, 2018 Share #10730 Â Posted February 10, 2018 The 330 is a beauty. Thanks for sharing and sparking some memories of the good old days. Â That's the first time I've seen an adjustable wickerbill like that. The ones I'm familiar with on IndyCar's all protrude at an angle from the trailing edge of the rear wing. Interesting application of the late Dan's invention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 10, 2018 Share #10731  Posted February 10, 2018 I would love to have driven one of the P2/3/4 cars. Much nicer I would imagine than the 250/275LM cars, with their high rear centre of mass, low roll centre and rearward weight distribution, which makes a slide of any magnitude, close to irrecoverable and the later 312PB, which is a short wheelbase, twitchy monster.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted February 11, 2018 Share #10732  Posted February 11, 2018 Much nicer I would imagine than the 250/275LM cars, with their high rear centre of mass, low roll centre and rearward weight distribution, which makes a slide of any magnitude, close to irrecoverable . . .   Wilson  A fact to which any 911 owner will attest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 12, 2018 Share #10733  Posted February 12, 2018 A fact to which any 911 owner will attest  The 250 LM had the engine forward of the rear wheels. I believe it is the higher rear mass etc, mentioned by Wilson, that may have contributed to some handling issues. It was intended to be entered in the GT category, but because Ferrari had not built enough of them it had to be run initially as a prototype and, largely thanks to attrition, it went on to win overall at Le Mans in 1965. From 1966 it was accepted as a Group 4 Sports Car. As a teenager in the 1960s, I thought that the car was one of the most beautiful I had ever seen. I still do now in my late 60s.  William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 12, 2018 Share #10734  Posted February 12, 2018 The 250 LM had the engine forward of the rear wheels. I believe it is the higher rear mass etc, mentioned by Wilson, that may have contributed to some handling issues. It was intended to be entered in the GT category, but because Ferrari had not built enough of them it had to be run initially as a prototype and, largely thanks to attrition, it went on to win overall at Le Mans in 1965. From 1966 it was accepted as a Group 4 Sports Car. As a teenager in the 1960s, I thought that the car was one of the most beautiful I had ever seen. I still do now in my late 60s.  William  William,  We used to have the well known Drogo bodied 250LM. It actually makes a nicer road car than a race car, albeit a tad noisy. This was the last time I drove it on a circuit at Guadix near Granada. We were going to do the Le Mans Classic with it but my brother broke his leg in a motorcycling accident and my ankle prosthesis started to fall apart, so we both decided it was time to retire from racing. Strangely Ferrari will not officially recognise this car, because it has a Drogo long nose body not a Scaglietti built one, even though it is very well known, with drivers like Jackie Epstein and David Prophet in period. As a road car, it uses Borrani wire wheels but for racing, the alloy Campagnolo wheels are more rigid and don't go out of true, when hammering modern day, vicious, saw-tooth kerbs. The Drogo body is an improvement for Le Mans, as there is less front end lift than the original body cars at high speed.  Wilson   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3459990'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 13, 2018 Share #10735 Â Posted February 13, 2018 Thanks Wilson. That is a lovely car and it is, of course, a genuine 250 LM, no matter what Ferrari said. The famous Ferrari Breadvan also had a body made by Drogo. It competed at Le Mans when I was about 13. In those days I would listen to Messrs Baxter and Bolster broadcasting from Le Mans on the BBC. At that time, the bread vans in my neighbourhood were blocky little red vehicles (which may have had electric propulsion) and had 'Johnston, Mooney and O'Brien' on the side. You can just imagine the confusion in my young mind when Raymond Baxter started talking about a Ferrari Breadvan. It was not until sometime later that I actually saw a picture of the car. Â William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted February 15, 2018 Share #10736  Posted February 15, 2018 Beautiful cars, guys  Thanks for sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted February 17, 2018 Share #10737 Â Posted February 17, 2018 At this point I think it's only fair to wait for Dunk to post another puzzle car tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 18, 2018 Share #10738  Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) At this point I think it's only fair to wait for Dunk to post another puzzle car tomorrow.   OK here's a pot boiler image which should be fairly easy …    Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   Marque, model and if possible, the first year of manufacture please … this is an early model.   Best wishes  dunk Edited February 18, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   Marque, model and if possible, the first year of manufacture please … this is an early model.   Best wishes  dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3463723'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 18, 2018 Share #10739  Posted February 18, 2018 Peugeot 202 from 1938?  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 18, 2018 Share #10740  Posted February 18, 2018 Wilson, Correct era but incorrect marque.  dunk  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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