dkCambridgeshire Posted December 14, 2015 Share #8061 Posted December 14, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Wilson that's correct but the engine is as per following description; an interesting 'ex racing car' and the first historic car purchased by Richard Shuttleworth in 1928. There is no 'P et L' insignia/logo visible on the radiator … but there is a 'P et L' rectangular plate visible on the oil? pump inside the car. Photos taken at the Shuttleworth Collection, Old Warden Aerodrome, Beds. Best wishes dunk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Wilson that's correct but the engine is as per following description; an interesting 'ex racing car' and the first historic car purchased by Richard Shuttleworth in 1928. There is no 'P et L' insignia/logo visible on the radiator … but there is a 'P et L' rectangular plate visible on the oil? pump inside the car. Photos taken at the Shuttleworth Collection, Old Warden Aerodrome, Beds. Best wishes dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2948664'>More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted December 14, 2015 Share #8062 Posted December 14, 2015 Dunk, I was the steering wheel that gave it away. It is nearly identical to our 1904 P&L. The sleeve round one steering wheel spoke rotates for advance-retard and the other one for mixture. Folks must be tired of my posts - does anyone else want to post a car. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 14, 2015 Share #8063 Posted December 14, 2015 If others do not have a car image ready I have another. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 17, 2015 Share #8064 Posted December 17, 2015 This 'vehicle' could travel at 20 mph Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! These are the only two photos I have. dunk 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! These are the only two photos I have. dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2950400'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 17, 2015 Share #8065 Posted December 17, 2015 1900/01 Marot Garden (spelling?). If it is this one, it does a little more than 20MPH. We were following it a few years ago just south of Reigate in our 1904 Panhard and it was doing a very wobbly 30+ down the far side of Reigate Hill in the pouring rain, with a totally terrified looking passenger in the suicide seat. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 17, 2015 Share #8066 Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Spot on Wilson. Another Shuttleworth Collection exhibit. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! … suicide seat is an apt description. Photos taken with permission during a Leica Society visit. Best wishes dunk Edited December 17, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! … suicide seat is an apt description. Photos taken with permission during a Leica Society visit. Best wishes dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2950571'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 17, 2015 Share #8067 Posted December 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Folks you will either know this one or think: "what the *&^%$£" is that Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2950805'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 21, 2015 Share #8068 Posted December 21, 2015 No ideas folks? The chassis was designed by a well known sports car designer, active both before WW2 and more afterwards. The chassis for this car was much better known with different bodywork, designed by the chassis designer. The bodywork on the mystery car is very far from an improvement on the quite pretty original. However both many of the originals and the mystery car have distinguished competition histories. There were understandably few of the mystery car made, against quite a number with the prettier bodywork. Starting in the 1970's a replica of the pretty original was made within a few miles of my UK house but with a larger engine and is still made although they have moved to bigger premises a bit further away. This was available both as a kit or a fully built car but now kit only. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 21, 2015 Share #8069 Posted December 21, 2015 Lotus Mk III chassis but not sure about the not so attractive bodywork. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 21, 2015 Share #8070 Posted December 21, 2015 Right country but a bit earlier than a Lotus Mk.3 and quite a bit more powerful with a multiple of the engine capacity of the Mk.3. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 21, 2015 Share #8071 Posted December 21, 2015 Here is another view of this gargoyle. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2953326'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 21, 2015 Share #8072 Posted December 21, 2015 The lighting and horn suggest this car is road legal, probably with an engine size between 1.5 and 3 liters, from the 1940s. Hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 21, 2015 Share #8073 Posted December 21, 2015 A tiny bit later Stuart. Certainly road legal. You could choose between two engines, both in your size bracket. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8074 Posted December 22, 2015 Correction to earlier post. I thought this car was 1950, as that seems to be the first time it was used in competition. I think its earlier exploits may just not be documented. Stuart is correct and it actually dates from 1947. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8075 Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Is there a Donald Healey connection … i.e. a 1947 / 48 Healey Duncan Drone dunk Edit … I added 1947 / 48 Healey Duncan Drone before Stuart had a chance to read it … Maybe reg No. 132 YUY Mille Miglia entrant? Edited December 22, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8076 Posted December 22, 2015 If there's a Donald Healey connection it would not be one he designed. I think the Silverstone was his first, but that wasn't until 1949 or 1950. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8077 Posted December 22, 2015 Dunk, Correct. This car is known colloquially as "The Drunken Drone" as we think that is what Ian Duncan, the designer, must have been when he drew it. Its origins are all due to the rules put in place by the 45-51 labour government, where to get a steel bodied car, you had to get a special permit, generally only given out to politicians, doctors, police, army etc. Purchase Tax was also around 60%+. Thus as the Healey was expensive anyway at around £1100 for the Silverstone type chassis, Ian Duncan came up with this wheeze to build a really cheap basic body out of sheet and strip aluminium, which in the aircraft slump of the period, was in plentiful supply. The idea was that you would buy a decent body from the likes of Abbott, Westland Aircraft or Elliot at a later date, when hopefully purchase tax might have come down. For just bodywork, purchase tax was in any case levied at a lower rate, than a complete car. The engine choice was either the 2.4L 4 cylinder twin cam Riley engine (105 BHP) or the 3 litre pushrod 6 cylinder Alvis (115 BHP). I don't think any Drones were made with the Alvis, although some of the later Abbott coupés and Tickford saloons were fitted with this engine. The gearbox for both models were from the RMB Riley, which may well have been made by one of the jobbing gearbox makers in the Midlands, such as Meadows, Moss or David Brown. The replica of the Silverstone originally made in Uckfield from 1969 onwards (where Henry Pearman now builds the Eagle E Types) but now in Rye, with a Jaguar XK engine, was the Cougar/Kougar. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2953873'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8078 Posted December 22, 2015 Wilson, that's an interesting 'Healey' … and quite a puzzler to identify. Here's the next mystery car which should be fairly straightforward. Make and model please. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2953900'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8079 Posted December 22, 2015 I will let someone else guess this one but it would be good for bidding on eBay Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 22, 2015 Share #8080 Posted December 22, 2015 Dunk - The below window swoop suggests a Buick or Oldsmobile from the mid 1950s, though that trailing peak in the roof is unfamiliar to me. Wilson - Actually, that Healey is better looking than I expected. BTW: At another recent auction (Gooding in Pebble Beach) a Toyota 2000 rated Restored #1- sold for USD803,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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