wlaidlaw Posted November 9, 2015 Share #7981 Posted November 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilson, Forty RR 20HP were manufactured …and only 15 of this model. But you're close … it is a RR Oldie-4-whole-.jpg dunk Dunk, My Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club book says: "1904-1906 Rolls-Royce produced: seventeen 10hp two-cylinder cars; six 15hp three-cylinder cars; thirty seven 20hp four-cylinder cars; forty 30hp six-cylinder cars; and, three 20hp V8-engined cars". So at a guess I would say it might be a 10hp. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted November 9, 2015 Share #7982 Posted November 9, 2015 You can just imagine the scene at the RR factory in Cooke Street, Hulme, Manchester in 1905. "The buyer has just changed his mind. He doesn't want a 30hp 6 cylinder car he now only wants a 15hp three cylinder." "Get the hacksaw out Fred." Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 9, 2015 Share #7983 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Dunk, My Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club book says: "1904-1906 Rolls-Royce produced: seventeen 10hp two-cylinder cars; six 15hp three-cylinder cars; thirty seven 20hp four-cylinder cars; forty 30hp six-cylinder cars; and, three 20hp V8-engined cars". So at a guess I would say it might be a 10hp. Wilson Correct Wilson … 1907 RR 10 HP chassis No. 20165, reg. SU 13 … your book could be more accurate ref the numbers … online sources vary but my research suggested chassis numbers 20151 to 20165 inc. = 15 . Interesting car photographed at RR Enthusiasts' Club Rally , Burghley Park, Stamford, June 21 2015 . There are probably just four remaining examples. Lousy photos! … better pics online https://www.flickr.com/photos/rolls-royce/9239656694 Pass the baton to you. dunk Edited November 9, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 9, 2015 Share #7984 Posted November 9, 2015 Here is a different challenge. I don't know what the cars are! This photo was taken by my father in 1953 or 1954. I know the approximate date, because the preceding photo, obviously on the same trip, is his Jaguar Mk.VII, which he did not keep long as he found the steering on Michelin X radial tyres too heavy. It replaced a Mk.V Jaguar in 1953 and was replaced by a Mercedes 220S in 1955. On the back of the print it has Leica IIIA/5cm Summar/Ilford HP3 written in pencil in my father's hand. The photo is obviously of the Giro d'Italia cycle race, I would guess somewhere in either the Italian Alps, the Dolomites or maybe even in Switzerland as it all looks very tidy . What are the two rather nice looking cabriolets? The back one might be an early OSCA but I am not at all sure. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2924560'>More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted November 12, 2015 Share #7985 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Wilson, rear car looks like a Vignale body, possibly a Siata. I found an image of a Siata with very similar body except the bumpers are in a different location, but the grille and hood scoop are close. The turn indicator's (possibly just driving lights) are in a strange location. I had a friend in Dallas named Ugo P. (can't remember his last name except the first letter) who vintage raced two Siata's in the late 80's - 90's. He was only 5' and his wife even shorter. Together they fit their diminuative car perfectly. Edited November 12, 2015 by Photoskeptic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 12, 2015 Share #7986 Posted November 12, 2015 I wonder if the front one is a Fiat 1900 coupe with a messed about with body. I am sure you are correct about the rear one being a Siata - well done! There is a lovely Michelotti bodied V8 Siata I have seen, maybe slightly later 1956 or so, which is a dead ringer for a Cobra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted November 12, 2015 Share #7987 Posted November 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm sure you're correct with the Fiat i.d. At first glance I thought it might be a civilized family-version of the 8V, but cannot find an image of it. But it looks strangely "Americanized" with the chrome rocker panels. Of course everyone and his brother were messing about with Fiat variants at that time so who can say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 12, 2015 Share #7988 Posted November 12, 2015 I'm sure you're correct with the Fiat i.d. At first glance I thought it might be a civilized family-version of the 8V, but cannot find an image of it. But it looks strangely "Americanized" with the chrome rocker panels. Of course everyone and his brother were messing about with Fiat variants at that time so who can say? My original thought for the front vehicle was a Simca Vedette coupé (Ford France) but the grille was not a big enough chromed grin. It is nothing like as pretty as the Fiat 8V coupés, which make a lot of the contemporary Ferraris look lumpen. It is sad that a company which has made so many great cars now just makes the Panda and 300 different variants of the pretty but rather ordinary 500. I was thinking of cars like the 124 Spyder and the beautiful 130 Coupé. I had a 16 valve 131 Abarth 2000 in 1980 until some idiot in a large van crashed into it while it while it was parked. They lozenged the whole car and destroyed the complicated rear sub-frame for the IRS. Fiat UK took one look at it and shook their head sadly. I had the last laugh however, as I bought the remains for £200 from the insurance company and then sold someone the undamaged 2 litre 16 valve throttle body injection engine and five speed close ratio gearbox for £1000 to put in a Morgan Plus Four. Your turn. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 12, 2015 Share #7989 Posted November 12, 2015 Ref the front car … So far have spent approx 3 hours looking at European 1950s coachmakers' cabriolet offerings and found several 'maybe' / 'similar' offerings based on French and Italian chassis … but nothing which matches exactly … many have chrome trim which is missing on the mystery car. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 13, 2015 Share #7990 Posted November 13, 2015 Ref the front car … So far have spent approx 3 hours looking at European 1950s coachmakers' cabriolet offerings and found several 'maybe' / 'similar' offerings based on French and Italian chassis … but nothing which matches exactly … many have chrome trim which is missing on the mystery car. dunk Dunk, There were probably between 50 and 100 small coach builders between Bologna and Milan in the 1950's plus quite a few more in Sicily. I would guess many of the creations of the smaller outfits are not documented. People like Drogo did not become well known until they built the 250GT SWB "Breadvan". Ferrari are still very sniffy about Drogo bodied cars and refuse to give them Classiche papers. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 13, 2015 Share #7991 Posted November 13, 2015 Dunk, There were probably between 50 and 100 small coach builders between Bologna and Milan in the 1950's plus quite a few more in Sicily. I would guess many of the creations of the smaller outfits are not documented. People like Drogo did not become well known until they built the 250GT SWB "Breadvan". Ferrari are still very sniffy about Drogo bodied cars and refuse to give them Classiche papers. Wilson Yes … I learnt a few new names …and was an interesting exercise. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted November 13, 2015 Share #7992 Posted November 13, 2015 Wilson, FYI, one of my good friends owned one of the Drogo cars - 250 GT SWB chassis w/GTO engine. The car is the one which had the chassis of the Stirling Moss SWB and then the body was pulled off to restore the Moss car to it's originality and the Drogo body put on another chassis. I've got the serial # around somewhere - just can't lay my hands on it at the moment. He's passed on and the car is now hidden in a warehouse. I feel certain that when his widow passes the car will miraculously re-appear and a not very deserving person will make a pile of money on it. (Like many Ferrari's, it's a complicated situation) I have pictures of it parked next to a Honda Civic. Just to give you an idea of the size of the Ferrari, the Civic towers over it! Anyone please post an image. I've got nothing at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 13, 2015 Share #7993 Posted November 13, 2015 Wilson, FYI, one of my good friends owned one of the Drogo cars - 250 GT SWB chassis w/GTO engine. The car is the one which had the chassis of the Stirling Moss SWB and then the body was pulled off to restore the Moss car to it's originality and the Drogo body put on another chassis. I've got the serial # around somewhere - just can't lay my hands on it at the moment. He's passed on and the car is now hidden in a warehouse. I feel certain that when his widow passes the car will miraculously re-appear and a not very deserving person will make a pile of money on it. (Like many Ferrari's, it's a complicated situation) I have pictures of it parked next to a Honda Civic. Just to give you an idea of the size of the Ferrari, the Civic towers over it! Anyone please post an image. I've got nothing at the moment. This is a picture of what used to be our 250/275 LM with a Drogo body, taken at Guadix in 2010, when we were practicing for the Le Mans Classic. Sadly neither my brother nor I took part. I had a hernia op and my brother broke his leg on a motor bike. Ferrari refused to give this car Classiche papers because of its Drogo body, even though it is one of the best know 250/275 LM cars in the world (ex Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Olivier Gendebien etc). They actually make a nicer road car than they do a race car. They have a high centre of gravity and low roll centre at the back. This means that they suffer badly from roll oversteer and are very tricky and twitchy at the limit. They were very much designed for low drag and good traction for Le Mans, with cornering considerations secondary. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2927734'>More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted November 13, 2015 Share #7994 Posted November 13, 2015 That is one gorgeous machine! There was an article, I believe in Car & Driver, back in the 60's of a road trip in an LM. And of course Rindt/Gregory won the big race in one. BTW, I've seen several of these on the track at once and they sound awesome. The fact that Ferrari won't certify the Drogo cars indicates some bad blood from the past. The whole thing is just silly as the chassis, especially in the case of Ferrari, has always been "the car". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 14, 2015 Share #7995 Posted November 14, 2015 Back when Chinetti had his showroom on 11th Avenue in Manhattan it would be exciting to visit, not only for the current offerings, but for his virtual museum of cars, including many NART beauties. That's where I saw my first LM. That collection greatly reduced when he moved his business to Greenwich, Connecticut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 14, 2015 Share #7996 Posted November 14, 2015 John - I believe it is your turn to post a car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted November 14, 2015 Share #7997 Posted November 14, 2015 Thank you, Stuart. I've nothing at the moment. Please, anyone, just feel free to jump right in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 19, 2015 Share #7998 Posted November 19, 2015 Hmmmm. To keep it alive let's start with this small part of a car. More photos later if necessary Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2932470'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 20, 2015 Share #7999 Posted November 20, 2015 Aston Martin Inter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted November 20, 2015 Share #8000 Posted November 20, 2015 Correct country of origin, wrong marque and model. Let's zoom out a bit: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2932712'>More sharing options...
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