wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2013 Share #4801 Posted April 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have had this photo from a magazine cutting, found in a friend's father's scrap book, in mind for some time. However the cutting had no details other than the makers name. My wife had hidden one of my long out of print reference books, when we took a whole lot of the book shelves out of our dining room to make more space. I found the book last week, after months of looking for it, with the cookery books in our kitchen (well where else would you expect to find it). As I hoped, it had a whole page on this rare car with lots of detail. Hopefully this will have you all scratching your heads for a while. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2296536'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stuny Posted April 11, 2013 Share #4802 Posted April 11, 2013 for starters, a racing car. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2013 Share #4803 Posted April 11, 2013 for starters, a racing car. Yes - the photo (with a sheet held behind I assume) was taken at Brooklands. My friend's father raced various cars there and across Europe and North Africa in the 1930's including the first single seat Alta, which he entered in voiturette grand prix. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 11, 2013 Share #4804 Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Just to make that clear: Personally I needed another try before I got the Opel (and stepped aside). My first thought was another car. After Wilson had mention Opel it was clear to me that it was dad´s 2.6 Kapitän. So Wilson is the one and only real winner! And I have no "on the first sight" clue what Wilson brought up here Edit: Wilson, let´s start with a guess: Is that a french car? Edited April 11, 2013 by Rona|d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2013 Share #4805 Posted April 11, 2013 Edit: Wilson, let´s start with a guess: Is that a french car? No:) Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 11, 2013 Share #4806 Posted April 11, 2013 I think you will need some hints for this car. It was one of if not the first successful mid engined racing car. It was available with either 1100, 1200 (2 cylinder) or 1500 (4 cylinder) engines. It raced at Le Mans but not the 24 hours. Its most successful driver was the father of one of the world's most famous racing drivers. Good luck! I will post the whole photo tomorrow evening if nobody gets it, as I don't think it will help a lot. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 12, 2013 Share #4807 Posted April 12, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is the full photo. I am guessing from the quoted engine sizes that the twins were Blackburn and J.A.P. The four I know was an Anzani. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2297508'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 12, 2013 Share #4808 Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Correction - they made their own twin engines. Amazingly, this make has its own website. Wilson Edited April 12, 2013 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4809 Posted April 15, 2013 Not sure about the car, but the driver seems to be Antonio Ascari. He started with De Vecchi cars, then CMN, ALFA, FIAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4810 Posted April 15, 2013 Not sure about the car, but the driver seems to be Antonio Ascari. He started with De Vecchi cars, then CMN, ALFA, FIAT. Ronald, I think the driver may be son of the founder and principal owner of the eponymous company, who after its demise, went on to work for Daimler. To give you another clue, the company was based in Coventry, England and ran from 1912 to 1928. I have no records of this make ever being raced by Ascari snr. Given who the photograph was taken by, Cyril Posthumous, I am sure if it had been Ascari, that would have been mentioned in the caption. I also don't think it is the most famous driver of this make, although the photographs of him of that period are poor. The good photographs of him are all from much later with his son, when he was a lot older. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4811 Posted April 15, 2013 Wilson, so this seems to be a Crouch 12/24 Super Sports then. You were talking about Alfred Moss, father of Stirling Moss as the racing driver. If this is the son of the companies owner (John Walter Fisher Crouch) in the car, it must be Bob Crouch. When you talked about the engines (makers and size) I had my doubts it was something Ascari´s father drove. Nethertheless worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4812 Posted April 15, 2013 Wilson, so this seems to be a Crouch 12/24 Super Sports then. You were talking about Alfred Moss, father of Stirling Moss as the racing driver. If this is the son of the companies owner (John Walter Fisher Crouch) in the car, it must be Bob Crouch. When you talked about the engines (makers and size) I had my doubts it was something Ascari´s father drove. Nethertheless worth a try. Correct Ronald. It is amazing that other than the Benz Tropfenwagen of 1923 and the various Auto Unions, mid engined racing cars did not really become common for another 30 years after this Crouch was built. You would have thought that the traction and light steering advantages would have become evident immediately. Driving front engined 1950's GP cars in the wet is really scary, when you get massive wheel-spin and twitching when you change into top gear at around 200+ kph. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4813 Posted April 15, 2013 Wilson, back in the old days there were so many things to develope and make better, that the makers maybe forgot the big overview. Think about electric cars, think about the Lohner Porsche with four electric wheel hub engines, first 4x4 car in the world. Or the model "Mixte" which was the first hybrid car in the world. Somehow state of the art and that was around 1900 !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4814 Posted April 15, 2013 Here comes the next car, gentlemen. Maker and model please! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2299395'>More sharing options...
bill Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4815 Posted April 15, 2013 Interesting lines... Amphicar springs to mind. Regars, Bill Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 15, 2013 Share #4816 Posted April 15, 2013 Nope, Bill. This may become an "inverted" Amphicar if the main part you can see in this crop starts to leak 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 16, 2013 Share #4817 Posted April 16, 2013 Ronald, Is the bit we can see glass or canvas/duck? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 16, 2013 Share #4818 Posted April 16, 2013 Wilson, upper right corner canvas, left down corner glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 16, 2013 Share #4819 Posted April 16, 2013 In that case, I would guess it is a Mk.2 Golf GTI, with sliding canvas roof. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted April 16, 2013 Share #4820 Posted April 16, 2013 Sliding canvas top is right, but not a Golf GTI (did they ever offer them with that roof?), not even a VW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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