jimleicam3 Posted April 12, 2010 Share #1 Posted April 12, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone used both the X-1 and the Olympus P1 or P2? I now use an M8 and M3 and am looking for a smaller camera. My third choice is the D-Lux 4. Thanks for any advice. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted April 13, 2010 Share #3 Posted April 13, 2010 I've used the E-P1 w/ 17mm lens and also the X1. Below is my opinion. E-P1 Pros: Manual focus ring on the lens. Multiple formats (4:3, 3:2, 16:9, 6x6) Looks cool Bigger sensor than compact P&S equalling better IQ than most compact consumer P&S cameras Good price Cons: Menus suck Images a bit bland compared to Leica M8 and X1 (overall) AF is slow (like X1) The Pros and Cons of the X1 have been talked about ad nauseum, so I won't go there. However, I will say that I sold my E-P1 after getting the X1 and am very happy to have done so. Have you thought about the Panasonic GF1 or the Ricoh GXR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted April 13, 2010 Share #4 Posted April 13, 2010 I've yet to see a 4/3 camera that can keep up with larger sensor cameras in image quality. I liked my GF1 for what it was: A quickie while waiting for an x1. As for file quality, not even close...the X1 is more like a large pro-sumer SLR...The Gf1 is great compared to micro sensor cameras but that's where it ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted April 13, 2010 Share #5 Posted April 13, 2010 I cant help specifically, I can tell you that anything about iso 800 on the gf1 which is about iso 1000 on the ep series is unusable. I can also say even with my limited experience that the raw headroom on mft is nowhere near the aspc consumer dslr's. I'd assume this can translate. I can also say as a gf1 mft owner, I'm still thiking about moving to an x1. Given that you already have an m8 which can change lenses, i doubt you'd be impressed with any of the mft offerings ( I don't own the m series cams but have viewed a lot of images, even pixel peeping *gasp*) and while the gf1 has been good, it's not GREAT in image quality..and I shoot in raw so any comparison to the ep series jpegs is pretty much invalid.q also, how much smaller is the ep series without the prime lens compared to a m8 ? I guess to sum up I'd say, if you have the scratch stick with the x1 over the mft. I'm also not convinced to spend a lot of money on this standard just yet, before canon and nikon get in the mix..it's like a draft proof. That said, it sure would be nice to actually be able to find a freaking x1 for purchase before 118 degree heat locks me into the house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted April 13, 2010 Share #6 Posted April 13, 2010 Mft's file quality is good, often times "good enough", but not great. And a big step up from small sensor camera performance. X1 and Ricoh's GXR offer excellent file quality in compact and light weight form, clearly beating mfts. Additionally, there is only one "must have" lens in mft format, Panasonic's 20mm equivalent, the rest is mediocre. Again, X1's Elmarit and GXR's A12 lens play in a different league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoslate Posted April 13, 2010 Share #7 Posted April 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've never used the X1, but the E-P2 is my current backup to a M8.2 and prior to getting the Oly I had a Lumix LX3 (which is the D Lux 4 under a different skin). I loved the LX3 because it was compact enough and took sharp photos. Sold it a couple of months back to buy the E-P2 mainly because I wanted to finally try out Leica lenses which I can attach with an adapter. The EP2 is a nice solid fun camera with gimmicky settings like diorama and cross processing both of which I use alot. The EVF is brilliant and the only downside I can think of is that it is not as compact as the Lumix. Although I do not have the Panny pancake lens, I've seen what it can produce and would highly recommend it if you decide to get either the EP1 or 2. The kit zoom is okay, but the Panny is something else! Of course, you can get better 'wow' results by strapping on a Leica lens with a 4/3 adapter (got mine from Fotodiox for $49 vs. $179 from Voigtlander), but keep in mind that the crop factor turns my 50 cron into a 100mm zoom. I haven't been tempted by the X1 because I'm satisfied with what I currently have and why get a jr. M when I already have its big brother. paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted April 13, 2010 Share #8 Posted April 13, 2010 Unless you are a telephoto fiend, buying a u4/3 camera for Leica lenses is ridiculous. I'm sick of hearing people wanting an inexpensive back up to their M8/M9 and then showing off their GF1 with 50mm Noctilux. Come on, if you can afford a Noctilux, you can afford another M. That said, the telephoto options of doubling your Leica lens length is cool, if you are into that. I'm not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 13, 2010 Share #9 Posted April 13, 2010 ...I'm sick of hearing people wanting an inexpensive back up to their M8/M9 and then showing off their GF1 with 50mm Noctilux. Come on, if you can afford a Noctilux, you can afford another M... Not the same beasts IMO, a Leica M is 20mm longer. I would love to put small Leica gems on a compact APS personally. Panasonic GF1: 119x71x36mm Leica M8: 139x80x37mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted April 13, 2010 Share #10 Posted April 13, 2010 Sure, it'll be a smaller set-up, but for wide angles, which is what most people use leica's for, it is not a good option. Also, many people are not using the small leica lenses... they are using the large ones. That defeats the purpose you'd like the smaller body for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmoslate Posted April 13, 2010 Share #11 Posted April 13, 2010 I knew about the crop factor when I got the adapter. It's a damn good thing I'm a telephoto freak. Looking to get a 90mm and go nuckin' futz! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted April 13, 2010 Share #12 Posted April 13, 2010 Basically, the idea of purchasing a m4/3 just to use M lenses as telephotos is wrong in that you can also do the same already with an M9, just zoom in and crop 2x = same thing as having half the sensor size, except the costs of the body and the adaptor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted April 13, 2010 Share #13 Posted April 13, 2010 I knew about the crop factor when I got the adapter. It's a damn good thing I'm a telephoto freak. Looking to get a 90mm and go nuckin' futz! Or get a 135mm and do what no M can do easily... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 13, 2010 Share #14 Posted April 13, 2010 Sure, it'll be a smaller set-up, but for wide angles, which is what most people use leica's for, it is not a good option... Why so? You're using crop cameras yourself aren't you. There's little difference between APS-C and APS-H actually. I even prefer APS-C personally. Been using my Epsons for 5+ years now. No problem at all. I just regret that Leica doesn't make a 12 and/or a 15mm lens but CV does the job fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted April 13, 2010 Share #15 Posted April 13, 2010 I'm not sure where the APS-C and APS-H comparison came into play, but with regards to my crop sensor interchangable lens camera vs. the GF1, there is a huge difference. That's a difference of 1.33 crop vs. a 2x crop... to me, a fan of wide to normal angle lenses, that is a huge difference. The crop factor of the X1 doesn't bother me because it has a fixed 36mm equiv...my favorite lens length. My problem with CVs ultra wide lenses on 2x crop cameras is that they are slow as hell. f/4.5 and f/5.6 wide open? A f/4.5 30mm lens? No thanks. At least on the M8 I can get a relatively cheap f/2 28mm lens and have a 37mm equiv. But then again, if you like this set-up, who am I to disagree. If it works for you, then awesome. I just don't see the sense of a GF1 for wide angle leica lenses. My opinion. If I got the GF1, I would just get the proprietary 20mm lens and make do until they offered the 14mm later this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 13, 2010 Share #16 Posted April 13, 2010 I compared APS-C to APS-H so i'm somewhat out of topic sorry. Now i agree that 4/3 are another little beasts. It is mainly their wide DoF that i dislike but it's just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted April 13, 2010 Share #17 Posted April 13, 2010 Jim, you haven't really stated what you want the camera for. Is a fixed lens going to be fine or are you going to find after a while you wish you had a little more versatility? Personally, I plumped for the GF1, which Dpreview gave a strong thumbs up to ove the EP1/2. I wanted an interchangeable lens small-sized camera and one which would allow me to mount Leica glass if I wanted to. If you check out my Flikr stream and search it with the term 'GF1' you should get a good idea of what the camera can do. Personally, I have used it effectively up to 1600iso and the 20/1.7 lens is an amazing lens for the price. Good luck in your choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimleicam3 Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted April 13, 2010 Big Louis, I am looking for a small camera to take skiing and bike riding. I have my M8 when I travel, or have a planned photo event. However, taking the M8 skiing is quite a pain, the same for riding a bike. So I am looking for a good, small, camera. Thanks for your advice. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted April 14, 2010 Share #19 Posted April 14, 2010 Big Louis, I am looking for a small camera to take skiing and bike riding. I have my M8 when I travel, or have a planned photo event. However, taking the M8 skiing is quite a pain, the same for riding a bike. So I am looking for a good, small, camera. Thanks for your advice. Jim Jim, I suspect then that a lot of your subjects would be landscape in which case the X1 would do the job. However, if you have an M8 and an investment in Leica glass, as I do, the temptation to have a second body which can with an adaptor mount M-glass was too strong for me. LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 16, 2010 Share #20 Posted April 16, 2010 Sure, it'll be a smaller set-up, but for wide angles, which is what most people use leica's for, it is not a good option. Also, many people are not using the small leica lenses... they are using the large ones. That defeats the purpose you'd like the smaller body for. ...so few words, so many assumptions and sweeping generalisations. Speak for yourself, eh? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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