!Nomad64 Posted March 3, 2011 Share #161 Posted March 3, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Everyone doesn't... Regards, Bill Ooopssss! Sorry Bill! Bruno Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Hi !Nomad64, Take a look here Video mode on future M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Steve Ash Posted March 3, 2011 Share #162 Posted March 3, 2011 I do not see too many connections between videography and photography. Actually I have never come across a privately produced video that I enjoyed - it always was torture for me. In an M body video functionality would destroy the M design philosophie simply by being there and making something very simple and intuitive unnecessarily more complex. Regards Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsv Posted March 3, 2011 Share #163 Posted March 3, 2011 Maybe we should suggest swimmers to ride a bike instead, because it is faster. And there is very little difference. Everybody go home afterwards anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted March 3, 2011 Share #164 Posted March 3, 2011 Ohhhh no, please, i do NOT want this...(this is like all the whiners complaining that they can't make phone calls with their iPads...) Let's hope the M line stay's a still picture machine for all eternity.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 3, 2011 Share #165 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Ohhhh no, please, i do NOT want this...(this is like all the whiners complaining that they can't make phone calls with their iPads...) Let's hope the M line stay's a still picture machine for all eternity.... I believe, you should be able to on the new ones. http://www.apple.com/ipad/built-in-apps/ They have a camera on back and front - if I am not mistaken. Best, K-H. Edited March 3, 2011 by k-hawinkler Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted March 3, 2011 Share #166 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) The moment Leica puts video in an M camera is the day they can phone a bankrupcy lawyer - and they know it. Leica is a company that lives by its heritage, as expressed in the M series. I've been photographing events since 2002 and have worked alongside videographers at many of them. Previously, they all used video cameras such as those from Sony and Panasonic. Today, nearly all of the videographers that I see are using at least one Canon 5D2, and sometimes several of them, along with other models such as the 7D. In their camera bags, they have a new collection of brand new Canon lenses. All of these new buyers have sent a lot of money Canon's way. Meanwhile, I use the same Canon cameras & lenses as the videographers (along with the M9) and the added video functions haven't diminished or over-complicated the cameras as stills cameras. Nor have they increased the price. The video-capable 5D2 ($2500) costs less than the original video-less 5D did when it was new ($3300). Looking at the 5D2's exterior, there is virtually no trace of its video functions, and there is not even one new button to accommodate video. Video's existence in the camera is almost entirely hidden in a menu that a stills photographer need never look at. The mirror up/live view function has simply been added to another button that was on the original 5D. And one has to look hard to find the three tiny holes where the microphone is. Moreover, the added video functions have helped me as a stills photographer. For architectural photography, the 5X and 10X liveview helps me achieve super-accurate manual focus quite easily, no matter which lens I am using. And I'll be photographing an event for which the M9 would be too loud even its Discrete mode (because of the shutter cocking noise). The 5D2 and 7D are likewise too loud in their standard mode. But with the mirror up and using liveview, the 5D2 and 7D are just quiet enough for me to get permission to photograph the event, provided I shoot only during speaking or music and not during quiet moments. You mention Leica's heritage, which includes a collection of amazing lenses. Imagine those lenses finding an entirely new market of buyers who prefer manual focus and don't want noisy features such as image stabilization. I don't need video on a future M, but I can see it being a valuable selling point to new buyers and making good business sense for the company. I don't know the technical aspects of switching from CCD to CMOS, but it's not as if CCD somehow magically and uniquely embodies the Leica heritage (... did HCB use CCD or CMOS?) Edited March 3, 2011 by zlatkob 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nortega Posted March 3, 2011 Share #167 Posted March 3, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sir, you are either a shill or a fool imo. Take your pick. Jaapv it's very obvious from your demeanor on this and other forums that you are an angry man that harbors far too much malice in his heart. You've probably heard that before. Ok, then to everyone else, it's been a pleasure discussing this with you. One last point and then I'll just bow out from trying to state an opinion that differs from the prevailing attitude here (like all the others that have posted in favor for this function before me).... as it's occurred to me that I shouldn't even bother basking in a narrow and limited vision that frankly seeks to stifle, no scratch that... make a snuff film ... er, no, not possible... a still collage.... of the artistic opportunities of a user that is out shooting with a digital M body. Just heed this omen: The second that an M body gets a live view function, guess what's next? Looking forward to seeing the videos of Leica users in the future! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 3, 2011 Share #168 Posted March 3, 2011 I have to disagree here. I've changed my mind on this one since the topic started a year ago. What changed it? The 5DII I owned for a year. The video I shot on that camera, I have to agree, was "insanely" good. I used the camera for months and never thought about the video and this extra "bloat" feature never got in my way as a still photographer. Never noticed it was there. One day I got out the manual and dug through the menus and tried it. Blew me away more than the photo's the camera was capable of. Assuming the M10 has live view, I'd be disappointed if it didn't include something so easy to implement as video. I wouldn't want it to add any complicated menus or buttons that would confuse any of the Leica still photographers and spoil their experience or mine. I don't think it would add much cost to the M10 and any increased cost of development probably could be recaptured by added sales. It sure would be fantastic to use the Leica glass and be able to capture video. Count me in. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 3, 2011 Share #169 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Sir, you are either a shill or a fool imo. Take your pick. He is neither. Ad hominem is a poor defense. Edited March 3, 2011 by RickLeica 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted March 3, 2011 Share #170 Posted March 3, 2011 I would bet top dollar that the powers that be at Leica would implement video in the M in a heartbeat if it could be done without compromising the basic integrity (ie body size and legacy functionality) of the M series, and if the technical hurdles of the sensor, processor, etc could be overcome. Why wouldn't they? It would mean just that many more cameras sold, and they are a company in the business of selling cameras. I'm sure they've looked and looked at the problem - and are looking again re the M10, but the hurdles must have been too big, no matter what it might have added to the price tag. I will welcome any extra functionality they can offer, just so long as I have the option to not use it and it doesn't compromise the image quality of the stills or the legacy feel of the camera. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted March 3, 2011 Share #171 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Why wouldn't they? It would mean just that many more cameras sold, ... ... and lenses too. Don't forget the lenses! All of those extra cameras need lenses. And I've always heard that camera companies make more money on the lenses than the bodies. Now someone will comment, "So what, Leica is a small company and they're already selling all of the lenses & bodies that they can make!" But that is shortsighted, I think. There is, we hope, a long future ahead, in which the current M will become very old news, and a future M will have to prove itself and find buyers. Edited March 3, 2011 by zlatkob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 3, 2011 Share #172 Posted March 3, 2011 He is neither. Ad hominem is a poor defense.ok,ok, maybe a bit harsh.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 3, 2011 Share #173 Posted March 3, 2011 ok,ok, maybe a bit harsh.... I know I'm guilty of this as well. Just trying to be clever. What do you say you give us 10 "Hail Marys" and 5 "Leica is not my Gods" and we call it even? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted March 4, 2011 Share #174 Posted March 4, 2011 I guess I'm just old fashioned. But, if I wanted to shoot video I would buy a video camera. I appreciate a camera that does one job well without the extra goo-gaws. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted March 4, 2011 Share #175 Posted March 4, 2011 I guess I'm just old fashioned. But, if I wanted to shoot video I would buy a video camera.I appreciate a camera that does one job well without the extra goo-gaws. Well, that Visoflex is a bit of a goo-gaw. Video need not add anything so big and mechanical as that (well, not for home/personal use). As I mentioned above, on the 5D2 video is practically hidden, and yet it does "insanely good" video — confirmed by RickLeica above . (Granted, for commercial productions, one needs a lot more gear ....) And if you bought an old fashioned video camera, one that does that job well, you would not get the amazing image quality, high ISO ability and depth of field control offered by a full-frame or even APS-C sensor camera. And for family trips, you would be packing a stills camera and a video camera and accessories for each, and having to carry both and recharge both. Just think how much easier it will be to justify a Leica M purchase to one's spouse when one can say, "And it does video too!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 4, 2011 Share #176 Posted March 4, 2011 Washington, come on, I thought you'd be onboard with this for sure. Can you imagine the fun you could have shooting video through your Videoflex and Leica glass? Bugs and birds that move! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted March 4, 2011 Share #177 Posted March 4, 2011 I honestly don't care if the M10 (or whatever) gets video, live-view, image stabilisation, optional EVF, weather sealing, LED framelines, touchscreen, all-magnesium construction etc. And as long as it is still as easy to use as the M9 for picture taking then neither should any of you. All it would result in is more market share for Leica, more profits, and hopefully their continued survival. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 4, 2011 Share #178 Posted March 4, 2011 There seems to be a trend for people in general to have a camera that does both stills and videos. I would like my M10 to provide that function, including LiveView. K-H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted March 4, 2011 Share #179 Posted March 4, 2011 Video mode on a Leica M? Bring it on......I might even be tempted to use one for real work instead as a toy. Make it 1080p, please. ;-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted March 4, 2011 Share #180 Posted March 4, 2011 Oh hell, you guys are right. Especially pointing out how cumbersome a Viso attachment can be. Video does no harm and it's enjoyed by many: so I'm just being the old negative fart I have always said I was. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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