Jaybob Posted March 4, 2011 Share #201 Posted March 4, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) What amuses me is that folks thought my Viso-Novoflex long-range contraptionswere complicated and silly looking: What I love about that photo is that unlike one of the last generation over the shoulder professional video cameras, that unit is on a bracket shaped like a "L" completely surrounding him. He's going to need two hands to steady it, and someone else to focus it, using an external screen. It's probably going to look great, but what a complicated setup. It's definitely beyond my pay grade. Jay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Hi Jaybob, Take a look here Video mode on future M . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
tdtaylor Posted March 4, 2011 Share #202 Posted March 4, 2011 Why not ask this guy? "The rig Robert is using was set up to allow him to see an HDSDI image on a 7″ Panasonic onboard monitor while his AC (the insanely talented Sebastian Vega) pulls focus with a Preston FIZ from a 17″ Panasonic monitor. Very necessary as you know when shooting on a 200mm at a 2.8. The signal was split from HDMI to 2 HDSDIs using the Aja Black Magic powered by a Nebtek adapter and Sony M batteries. Both the Preston and the onboard were powered with a D tap cable and a Sony onboard battery. We also got some beautiful shots with my 50mm 1.4 and a lensbaby composer with single glass and plastic optics. ~ Jimmy Lindsey" Just trying to envision an M10 is the middle of this assemblage Definitely would take the Leica philosophy down a new path.....give me a little time and I'll try to put it to words..... or maybe I'll just stick to my HD video recorder for video for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted March 4, 2011 Share #203 Posted March 4, 2011 What amuses me is that folks thought my Viso-Novoflex long-range contraptionswere complicated and silly looking: I was just thinking of you, Washington. Looks like you need to up your game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted March 4, 2011 Share #204 Posted March 4, 2011 Personally, I would have no interest in a video mode on a Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted March 4, 2011 Share #205 Posted March 4, 2011 What amuses me is that folks thought my Viso-Novoflex long-range contraptions were complicated and silly looking: Ok, but keep in mind that the guy in the photo is probably not doing a cute video of his baby taking her first steps, or his kid's birthday party, or his wife on vacation, or some wildlife in his backyard. Nor is he likely to be a journalist doing an up close & personal news story for a web site. That sort of rig is probably for a commercial production or movie, with a crew of people at work, where you would expect heavy duty gear all around. The camera he's handling could also be used to make a wonderful personal video without anything attached to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W4Leica Posted March 4, 2011 Share #206 Posted March 4, 2011 The beauty of Leica M is its quality and simplicity. Adding video mode is no no to me. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted March 4, 2011 Share #207 Posted March 4, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) "The camera he's handling could also be used to make a wonderful personal video without anything attached to it." Perhaps - if one sets a very low bar for "wonderful." I'm also not really impressed by the idea that Leica should be targeting the market that shoots "a cute video of his baby taking her first steps, or his kid's birthday party, or his wife on vacation, or some wildlife in his backyard." As I said before - a cellphone cam would (and does) work just as well for that market. Usng a naked Leica (or a DSLR) instead would add practically nothing to the results. The owner might go all warm and fuzzy, and pat himself on the back, because it was shot with his "LEICA" - but for those of us viewing the results it would just be the same c**p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted March 4, 2011 Share #208 Posted March 4, 2011 What I love about that photo is that unlike one of the last generation over the shoulder professional video cameras, that unit is on a bracket shaped like a "L" completely surrounding him. He's going to need two hands to steady it, and someone else to focus it, using an external screen. It's probably going to look great, but what a complicated setup. It's definitely beyond my pay grade. Jay From what I can see this gentleman had to put up an unnecessarily complicate setup just for the sake of using a tool which is not the most appropriate for the assigned task to the point of borrowing a third party hand to finally obtain a sub-par result. If this is the progress some lads here are begging for then leave me alone having congress with my unspoiled M Cheers, Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted March 4, 2011 Share #209 Posted March 4, 2011 Perhaps - if one sets a very low bar for "wonderful." As with stills, personal and family videos don't need a lot of gear to be truly wonderful. You can make great stills of a child's first birthday with just an M camera; you don't need the gear or the crew that Annie Leibovitz might bring to create a cover photo for Vanity Fair. The same goes for personal and family video. And even some professional video-reporting is better done with small, discrete gear -- nothing like the huge rig shown in the photo above. I'm also not really impressed by the idea that Leica should be targeting the market that shoots "a cute video of his baby taking her first steps, or his kid's birthday party, or his wife on vacation, or some wildlife in his backyard.".... The owner might go all warm and fuzzy, and pat himself on the back, because it was shot with his "LEICA" - but for those of us viewing the results it would just be the same c**p. Don't Leica owners photograph their babies, or their kids' birthdays, or their spouses, or their family trips, or their backyards? You can call their photos "crap", but it seems to me that Leica's market includes a lot of people who document their own lives, and who like to do so without a truckload of photo (or video) gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 4, 2011 Share #210 Posted March 4, 2011 One effective technique often used by politicians is to build up a phantom enemy, completely devoid of reality, and then tear it down. K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted March 4, 2011 Share #211 Posted March 4, 2011 haven't read all the thread but personally I have no interest in a video mode on the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 4, 2011 Share #212 Posted March 4, 2011 If Leica should add video to an M camera, the market is sure to be filled with cameras that do the job better, if only because they a better suited by the concept -SLR or EVIL viewfinders, zoomlenses, af etc.- why descend from being top dog in the still photography business to an also ran in the video segment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griswold Posted March 4, 2011 Share #213 Posted March 4, 2011 Please no video in an M body... I doubt it would fit anyways. The DSLR video craze has created a bunch of Franken-cameras that are great in low light but are virtually unusable as video capture devices. I have shot video professionally for 30 years and the form factor just doesn't work. In response to this trend Sony and Panasonic are now making larger sensor cameras that are less than $16,000. There are also The Red cameras. There are too many players in this field and Canon is about to come out with a game-changer. Leica should focus on its core business and finish the roll out of the S2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted March 4, 2011 Share #214 Posted March 4, 2011 tdtaylor, Boy, you're right there! Wow, have I ever been shown up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted March 5, 2011 Share #215 Posted March 5, 2011 I have no doudt that the M10 will have HD video. As well it should. I say embrace the change. I mean the M9 is digital camera so what is the big deal it's not like it's real M anyways:p (M9 envy) What makes the M system a fantastic still camera makes it ideal to shoot video. Nice and small, great glass.What's not to love. Having owned and used the 5D2 with one Canon lens (50 1.0) and a wide range Nikkor's from 8mm 2.8 to 800 5.6 IF-ED AIS with an adaptors, it was huge learning curve to take moving pictures. And it was fun. And while admittedly I did trade my Canon 5D2 for a Leica M7 I am looking long and hard at D3s just in order to shoot more video. At some point if Leica had full frame camera like a M10 that I could use my Noct on I am all in. The manual foucing nature of the M lenses makes sense as it going to be manual focus using the Chimp screen at any rate. As far as some member's of the Leica forum ridiculing a fellow photgrapher for doing is job is not very cool if ask me. Some poeple got got no class. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted March 5, 2011 Share #216 Posted March 5, 2011 tdtaylor, Boy, you're right there! Wow, have I ever been shown up! One could say the gauntlet has been thrown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted March 5, 2011 Share #217 Posted March 5, 2011 Well then by damn, it's time for me to construct something with more boxes, tubes, and wires….. even though they don't do anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuelphoto Posted March 5, 2011 Share #218 Posted March 5, 2011 It simply means it would be a reason for me to stick to the M9 and not move to such an M10. I have an aversion to feauture bloat. I would not have moved to the 5DII for the same reason, assuming I would have bought a 5D in the first place. Just see : M9 final verdict Jaap, I'm with you 100% on this one. When you add on all kinds of features to just about anything, the whatever-it-is ends up doing none of them especially well. Let's keep the digital M the absolute best digital interchangeable lens RF camera on the planet, nothing more, nothing less. Let the DSLRs, the digicams, P&S's do what they do, and instead focus the M on what it does best. Having said that, the only major thing I would like to see as image capture is concerned is improved low ISO performance. I have to believe that, with continued technology improvements, that day will come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 5, 2011 Share #219 Posted March 5, 2011 Wait a minute. If, we are talking about video in this thread then we are all talking about a CMOS sensor, and pretty likely it would have live view which is nothing more than live video on the LCD screen. Why would you want to hamstring the camera and not output that video to a memory card? Are you seriously suggesting that Leica should lock us out of having the option and ability to write that video to memory, just because you want to keep the camera a pure still-image recorder? Now that is just silly. And, to the statements above that the M is good because Leica focuses on one thing and Leica couldn't compete or make a video camera that would be any good or compete with the DSLRs that have a head start, realize that the Leica lenses are much easier to focus than the DSLR's lenses and with follow focussing they would kill the feel of most of the DSLR lenses. The f-stop would be much more accessible than any DSLR equivalent. And, Leica already makes cine-lenses. Leica could make a set of killer anamorphic cine-lens for the M if they wanted to and it would easily compete with Canon. I think the simplicity of the M would speak to the cinematographer more than all that bloatware on those DSLRs. They'd love the little M10-video camera and I bet it would become a cult. And, just think, you could own it and turn your nose up at the camera's excellent video capability and tell everyone, "I only shoot still images, I don't believe in recording more than one image at a time to the memory card. In fact, I put black tape over the video function button." I think a video M might be really something. I'm planning to make a killing on a new product for it when it finally comes out. I am going to make and market a line of M10 mounting rails for it that should hit a huge demographic. I'm going to call my line of M10 mounts, "Walker Mounts." I'll design them to mount on all sizes of elderly walkers. I'll have walking-cane mounts, and wheelchair mounts, too. This is going to be bigger than the iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted March 5, 2011 Share #220 Posted March 5, 2011 zatklob, I have not as yet used a 600mm follow-focus lens for babies, kitty-cats or cutesey pootsy family stuff….but you have given me an idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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