Guest farbtupfer Posted March 10, 2010 Share #21 Posted March 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) As for the S2. A great camera, but prices way out of my reach. You can buy 3 Pentax as of the price of one S2... now whats the benefit of an S2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mhoersch Posted March 10, 2010 Share #22 Posted March 10, 2010 You can buy 3 Pentax as of the price of one S2... now whats the benefit of an S2? The red dot, of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 10, 2010 Share #23 Posted March 10, 2010 You can buy 3 Pentax as of the price of one S2... now whats the benefit of an S2? Until the cameras can be tested side-by-side it's hard to say how they compare - unless you need the flash sync of the S2's lens shutters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 10, 2010 Share #24 Posted March 10, 2010 The price of the Pentax might be attractive and I share the view that the S2 is heavily overpriced. But the Pentax is just ugly looking, no matter what features for what price it brings. The really great thing is, that it will bring some movement into the whole MF market, so hopefully we will see competitive pricing from Hasselblad and Phase as well. I do not expect that from Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted March 10, 2010 Share #25 Posted March 10, 2010 ... But the Pentax is just ugly looking, no matter what features for what price it brings. ... I thought what counted was the beauty of the pictures it takes, not of the camera itself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 10, 2010 Share #26 Posted March 10, 2010 I forgot Hasselblad as an MF camera maker in my list - silly me! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 10, 2010 Share #27 Posted March 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now which advantage has an S2 against a Pentax 645...some sample pictures of the 645... Those files are very small. Are you sure they come from an MF camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 10, 2010 Share #28 Posted March 10, 2010 You can buy 3 Pentax as of the price of one S2... now whats the benefit of an S2? Image quality? The pictures you've posted here could have been shot with an average 35mm camera IMHO. Would you know if larger samples are available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted March 10, 2010 Share #29 Posted March 10, 2010 I am not an S2 owner, but I have admired Leica's boldness in developing the S2 and feel badly for them. By the few early reports on the S2 it's a nicely crafted camera that performs and feels good. But it was just a matter of time before the bigger brands wandered into larger sizes, wasn't it? After all, there's nowehere left to go in the 35mm frame format. Canon and/or Nikon will certainly follow within the next few years, too. This will certainly put much-needed pricing pressure on the existing mf players, who have largely used the figure of $20,000 as a baseline for a long time. The new baseline will be $10,000, as it should be. Just a few thoughts, in no order. - Since the Pentax will onl be available in Japan for the announced future, there will probably be no more American or European owners of the Pentax than there are owners of the S2, given the latter's constipated production rates. - The Pentax has the potential to become the medium format camera that amateur enthusiast's purchase. Meanwhile, at least for a while, the Hassy and Phase/Mamiya products may be increasingly contained in rental houses. This is how the S2 may become highly marginalized, as Leica has no significant presence with rental shops, and isn't likely to build one without significantly greater supply and repair capacity. - When Canon or Nikon enter the game the baseline pricing will drop to $8,000, a position that the market has already demonstrated as supportable with these brands' highest-end 35mm cameras. - Beyond the camera body itself, medium format opens new profitable possibilities for new lens lines for these brands. That's where the honey really comes from. Honestly, I just don't see a future for the S2 as anything other than a collectors' item. It's a well-engineered camera that came too late to the party with too high a price and remained too special. Hassy and Phase will cetainly begin slicing their pricing, something that Leica doesn't even know how to do, further marginalizing the S2 product. But perhaps Leica can keep one foot in the game by concentrating on developing that S2 lens line for 3rd party mounts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 10, 2010 Share #30 Posted March 10, 2010 I wonder if Canon, Nikon and Sony have anything in the pipeline? An MF system of their own? No, I don’t think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidereye Posted March 10, 2010 Share #31 Posted March 10, 2010 No DX in mainstream "digital MF" models: Leica S2 sensor is 30mm x 45mm Hasselblad H3D 22 and 39 are 37mm x 49mm Leaf Aptus II 8 (40Mpix) 33 x 44 Jaak No, I realise that Jaak. I was just reffering to them calling it an MF format camera when it's not really. Maybe there now should be a specific coding for MF digital as per Nikon's dx & fx labelling which aprox equates the 35mm standard? Otherwise it's a bit deceiving really for the buyer. Out of interest I take it the Leaf's aspect ratio is 4:3 as are the Pentax, Mamiya DM33 & Hasselblad whereas the Leica of course is 3:2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted March 10, 2010 Share #32 Posted March 10, 2010 ...........I really don't like the appearance of the camera, but I could get over that if the ergonomics worked well. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in the digital MF market. Looks superb from an ergo point of view, of course, it depends how big your hands are vs the size of the camera. Got to be better than the brick which the S2 is. Same applied to the wonderful Pentax 6x7, great camera, but who wants to hold a brick all day? Much as I disliked the look of things like the Pana-Leica "bridge" cameras (V-Lux1, etc) as soon as you pick one up, you know this the shape a camera should be, for human hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c6gowin Posted March 10, 2010 Share #33 Posted March 10, 2010 ...Got to be better than the brick which the S2 is... I happen to think the S2 is ergonomic bliss. Of course others are welcome to their opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted March 11, 2010 Share #34 Posted March 11, 2010 What I don't get is Leica can only offer these crappy display screens and your choice of covering is plexi or "sapphire." Why not good ol' tempered glass like this new Pentax or some of the dslrs out? Why is there never any practical in between with Leica? (btw the M9 is rapidly becoming my all time favorite camera so jus' wondering not really bashing) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 11, 2010 Share #35 Posted March 11, 2010 What I don't get is Leica can only offer these crappy display screens and your choice of covering is plexi or "sapphire." Why not good ol' tempered glass like this new Pentax or some of the dslrs out? Why is there never any practical in between with Leica? (btw the M9 is rapidly becoming my all time favorite camera so jus' wondering not really bashing) Charles, There has been no official comment but I wonder if Leica quietly improved the LCD screen material. After 5 months, there is not a mark on my M9 screen. After the same period, my M8 had lots of little polishing micro-scratches, to the extent that I put one of those Durasec Hi-Tec screen protectors on. I am guessing that they may have changed the material from poly-acrylate to poly-carbonate, as used for motorcycle visors. However I agree, Leica should be using higher definition screens or even better, OLED screens. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted March 11, 2010 Share #36 Posted March 11, 2010 I happen to think the S2 is ergonomic bliss. Of course others are welcome to their opinion. Absolutely. It was a professional opinion that I was expressing. Pick up a camera-sized brick-shaped piece of soft modelling clay in your right hand, support it underneath with your left hand. Gently squeeze with your right hand. I think that you will find you have just designed the camera body shown above. Think jet-fighter control stick with camera lens attached to left side, all vital functions available to finger and thumb. Of course if you are left-handed.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 11, 2010 Share #37 Posted March 11, 2010 Got to be better than the brick which the S2 is. You've obviously never held one. I have and it's far superior to the D700. Trust me on this. That Pentax looks like a £400 bottom of the range Canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted March 11, 2010 Share #38 Posted March 11, 2010 You've obviously never held one. I have and it's far superior to the D700. Trust me on this. That Pentax looks like a £400 bottom of the range Canon. People feel and see differently: my wrist started hurting after five minutes with the S2, and I think the Pentax l o o k s like a very well designed and no nonsense practical piece of equipment. (I don't know if it i s, of course.) Did you notice the massive tripod support for portrait work? The whole camera looks like someone did some really hard thinking about what a photographer might really n e e d. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted March 11, 2010 Share #39 Posted March 11, 2010 You've obviously never held one. I have and it's far superior to the D700. Trust me on this. That Pentax looks like a £400 bottom of the range Canon. the nikon high end designs D700, D3x,s beat the S2 in the ergonomics department IMHO. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 11, 2010 Share #40 Posted March 11, 2010 I hold a S2 and the ergonomics is great, but the lenses are quite large. The Pentax 645D, if we judge from the experience of the 645N cameras, is different. It is more like Hasselblad H: long body and lateral grip. I don't like it so much. I find it too heavy and a bit unbalanced. Anyway, MF cameras aren't action tools, reportage cameras. I find the handling, size and proportions of the M cameras perfect. Small DSLR cameras also handle very well, if the lenses are small. Reflex cameras are more... ugly, I don't know, like a big potato. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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