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luigi bertolotti

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Thanks guys!

Why macro only with Summicron 75?

If you put it onto a Visoflex it does not focus to infinty... there is a lot more distance from flange to sensor... Visoflex acts as an extension tube on a SLR: with good lenses (and the Cron 75 surely is) it is an excellent macro combo: with some attention and good light, even free-hand.

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ldhrads

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So, I'm somewhat confused here.

 

On the Viso III I can mount my 50mm summicron and do some macro work

I have a 16469 that let's me?

Focus with more magnification?

 

And I see in the manual that this same adapter can be used with the Telyt 280/4.8...Why?

 

I'm again lost in Leicaland...

Thanks for any help

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UliWer

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So, I'm somewhat confused here.

 

On the Viso III I can mount my 50mm summicron and do some macro work

I have a 16469 that let's me?

Focus with more magnification?

 

And I see in the manual that this same adapter can be used with the Telyt 280/4.8...Why?

 

I'm again lost in Leicaland...

Thanks for any help

 

Don't ask "why" for Leica adapters. Especially with the different versions of the Viso (and bellows) there was such a large amount of different adapters that you will not find a clear concept in the whole turmoil. The easiest answer is always: the right adapter fits to the right lens; at this time the 16469 with approx. 1 cm thickness fitted both lenses because their totally different construction needed just this.

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k-hawinkler

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On the Viso III I can mount my 50mm summicron and do some macro work

I have a 16469 that let's me?

 

Correct.

 

And I see in the manual that this same adapter can be used with the Telyt 280/4.8...Why?

 

Yes, with Telyt 280/4.8 v3 only, however not with 280/4.8 v2. The latter requires 14020.

The 16469 is a beautiful shiny adapter ring that fits in between the Visoflex III and an M-lens or V-Lens, giving the attached lens macro capability.

 

You might want to look at post #143 and #144 of http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/124030-leica-m9-visioflex-iii-experiences-8.html.

 

BTW, one or better two 16469 also come in handy between a Bellows II and a Nikon camera with LM-AI adapter. This increases the distance to the camera so that the bulky battery compartment, say of a Nikon D3, doesn't interfere with the protruding lower part of the Bellows II.

 

Best, K-H.

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chris_tribble

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Picking up this thread, I have the option to get a Bellows 2 + adapter 16596 also known as UOOND (which will work with Leica M lenses as I understand). I can't source a Viso III for the moment, but live in hope.

 

Question - as I'm attempting to set up a tripod based macro set up, is the Bellows 2 worth getting? I understand that they come up less often than the Viso III, but am not 100% clear on the advantage of the bellows. I assume that you get a) more macro capability + B) finer control. Is this right?

 

I note the post at http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/124030-leica-m9-visioflex-iii-experiences-5.html#post1597450

 

This seems to indicate that only 35 and 50 lenses can be used with the 16596 adaptor. Correct? So I could use my 35 cron asph or 50 lux asph as Macro lenses and wouldn't plan to use the longer lenses (could get a bit unwieldy!)?

 

Grateful for responses to naive questions. :)

Thanks

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chris_tribble

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Chris, I have one and it is a wonderfully built piece of gear. I can thoroughly recommend it if you want to get into Viso-Macro.

 

Job done - bought one from your compatriot at Collect Camera. A very nice person to do business with. All I need now is the Viso III ;)

 

Thanks for advice.

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Telyt2003

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Picking up this thread, I have the option to get a Bellows 2 + adapter 16596 also known as UOOND (which will work with Leica M lenses as I understand). I can't source a Viso III for the moment, but live in hope.

 

Question - as I'm attempting to set up a tripod based macro set up, is the Bellows 2 worth getting? I understand that they come up less often than the Viso III, but am not 100% clear on the advantage of the bellows. I assume that you get a) more macro capability + B) finer control. Is this right?

 

I note the post at http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/124030-leica-m9-visioflex-iii-experiences-5.html#post1597450

 

This seems to indicate that only 35 and 50 lenses can be used with the 16596 adaptor. Correct? So I could use my 35 cron asph or 50 lux asph as Macro lenses and wouldn't plan to use the longer lenses (could get a bit unwieldy!)?

 

Grateful for responses to naive questions. :)

Thanks

 

Hello Chris,

just sent you a PM with a Visoflex3 offer from a good dealer (I am only a customer).

 

If a remember correctly, you can fit whatever lens with (or adapted to) an M-bayonet to the bellows 2 via the adapter 16596.

I even did it with a complete Telyt 280/4,8 type 3 (with M-bayonet), when I needed the extra extension,

- instead of using just the Telyt head via the screw-mount adapter 16598 for the M46 x 0.75 thread ...

If you use 35 or 50 mm lenses via 16596 on a bellows unit, you end up with a working distance of a few centimetres.

Is it really this, what you want?

 

I would assume that a greater extension (e.g., of a bellows unit) is most interesting with longer lenses.

With short lenses already the relatively small extension of putting them directly onto the Visoflex2/3 (if possible), is quite limiting with respect to the working distance.

(To avoid collisions of the rear lens elements (of 35 or 50 mm lenses, if used directly on the Visoflex) with the mirror, often one ring 16469 is needed between the M-lens and the Visoflex2/3.)

 

Best regards,

Telyt2003

 

PS: You are likely aware that also M-lenses mounted directly to a Visoflex2/3 result in nice macro lenses (Just in case: 90 and 135 mm lenses are recommended (as with the bellows), and esp. the Tele-Elmar 135/4).

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wlaidlaw

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Is anyone any good with Novoflex adapter codes? I am looking for the adapter to fit an Elmar 65 head recessed into the Novoflex bellows. I already have the surface mount adapter called a LEIEL but I want the other one. I know from talking to Novoflex that they used to make one but they could not tell me the code. See pic below of the LEIEL.

 

BTW I also have a Leica bellows to Elmar 65 and 90/2.8 Elmarit head adapter Leitz code 16558Z. This has been sitting just gathering dust in a drawer for years. I would be willing to pass it on for a pretty nominal amount to anyone who can use it. Again see pic below.

 

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wlaidlaw

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I think it may be the LEIMAR adapter but would be grateful if someone could confirm that this adapter does what I hope it might (see post above). I will then save a search on Fleabay. Collect Camera does not have one. I will also contact Ed at Collectible Cameras in Phoenix, AZ and get him to put it on his wanted list.

 

Wilson

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Doc Henry

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All I need now is the Viso III ;)

May be here Chris

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/market/listing/4716/Leitz_Visoflex_III__Bellows_II__Prism_Leica_M.html

the same selling here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leica-Leitz-Visoflex-III-Bellows-II-Prism-M3-M9-/170669206681

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leitz-Leica-16558-Adapter-Ring-Leica-Bellows-II-III-/370387886059

Best

Henry

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chris_tribble

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If a remember correctly, you can fit whatever lens with (or adapted to) an M-bayonet to the bellows 2 via the adapter 16596.

I even did it with a complete Telyt 280/4,8 type 3 (with M-bayonet), when I needed the extra extension,

- instead of using just the Telyt head via the screw-mount adapter 16598 for the M46 x 0.75 thread ...

If you use 35 or 50 mm lenses via 16596 on a bellows unit, you end up with a working distance of a few centimetres.

Is it really this, what you want?

 

I would assume that a greater extension (e.g., of a bellows unit) is most interesting with longer lenses.

With short lenses already the relatively small extension of putting them directly onto the Visoflex2/3 (if possible), is quite limiting with respect to the working distance.

(To avoid collisions of the rear lens elements (of 35 or 50 mm lenses, if used directly on the Visoflex) with the mirror, often one ring 16469 is needed between the M-lens and the Visoflex2/3.)

 

Best regards,

Telyt2003

 

PS: You are likely aware that also M-lenses mounted directly to a Visoflex2/3 result in nice macro lenses (Just in case: 90 and 135 mm lenses are recommended (as with the bellows), and esp. the Tele-Elmar 135/4).

 

MANY thanks for this info. I have a good range of modern M lenses, so look forward to playing. Malcolm Taylor advises against using the 35 cron asph because the rear element is so vulnerable...

 

Henry - this had been a source of frustration. The gentleman who had these up for sale in fact shifted it in Fred Miranda - annoyingly it's still listed as for sale here. I've been in touch with him. :(

 

The good news is that Malcolm Taylor here in the UK has an Exc ++ Visoflex 3 for an acceptable price. He's in the process of giving it a thorough service and calibration (he has the tools for doing this), and also has manuals and a wide range of other spares as he bought up the stock when Leica closed Milton Keynes. I'm looking forward to receiving this in a week or so - but which time I'll also have my Bellows 2 and will be able to start playing.

 

MANY thanks to all concerned. What a useful place this forum is at times.

 

Best

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asmith

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it was not only the Japanese who sold SLRs. The German Exakta co-existed with the Leica and Viso for several years. It was probably the introduction of the Leicaflex that caused Leica to abandon the Viso. I owned an Exakta outfit for some years and enjoyed it before being seduced by the M Leica . It was because I missed some features of the Exakta that I bought a Visoflex.

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wlaidlaw

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Chris,

 

Malcolm will do a wonderful job but I will be very interested to hear if you get it on schedule. If his turn around has improved, I may well send him my Viso III for calibration in the autumn. I have the odd phenomenon that mine seems spot on with my 65 Elmar but not quite right with 280 and longer Telyts.

 

Wilson

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