jimbo035 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 29, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Having bought a mint forty-year old 21/4 Super Angulon for my Leicaflex SL, I've been idly wondering how good the Cosina-Voigtlander Color Skopar "equivalent" really is, and if I should have bought a Bessa L or T to go wth it for my "superwide" shots. Probably have worked out costing me more (as I already have the 'flex)... but a second-hand Skopar is currently listed for somewhat less than half of what I paid for the second-hand Schneider lens. Is the higher price of the latter affected by "collector-itis" or simply because it is considered to be vastly superior to the "voigtlander" product ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Hi jimbo035, Take a look here 21/4 Super Angulon vs 21/4 Color Skopar Compared ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest Bernd Banken Posted January 29, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 29, 2010 Hi, here some of my first shots with the Bessa R4A and the 21mm f4 Scopar. It's a cheap dream combination with 21mm viewfinder bright lines: JU52 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! and: L'arbre de heron on Flickr - Photo Sharing! Cheers Bernd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 29, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 29, 2010 ... Is the higher price of the latter affected by "collector-itis" or simply because it is considered to be vastly superior to the "voigtlander" product ? Can hardly say that the SA is any better. Both vignette significantly and get soft corners at f/4. At f/5.6 and slower apertures both lenses are decently sharp and contrasty but a lens like the Elmarit-M 21/2.8 asph is much better. Much dearer as well though. But compared to relatively 'cheaper' lenses like the Zuiko 21/2 for instance, the SA is probably overpriced IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted January 31, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 31, 2010 SA 21/4 has a collector's premium, even more than the SA 21/3.4. Sounds like you got a good deal, especially if you got the shade. There are some postings on the "other" forum comparing the 21's en masse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted February 1, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 1, 2010 Having bought a mint forty-year old 21/4 Super Angulon for my Leicaflex SL, I've been idly wondering how good the Cosina-Voigtlander Color Skopar "equivalent" really is, and if I should have bought a Bessa L or T to go wth it for my "superwide" shots.... ...I am also considering a Bessa L or T...is there enough clearance for the protruding rear end of the SA 21/4 ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted February 1, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 1, 2010 I find the CV 21 F4 very decent but not dazzling. The ZM 21 2.8 for example is clearly better in the corners at every aperture. Its better by F4 than the CV ever gets, but the CV is tiny and can go with you everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 1, 2010 Share #7 Posted February 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I am also considering a Bessa L or T...is there enough clearance for the protruding rear end of the SA 21/4 ??? The OP refers to the 21/4 for Leica R IINW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo035 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share #8 Posted February 1, 2010 SA 21/4 has a collector's premium, even more than the SA 21/3.4. Sounds like you got a good deal, especially if you got the shade. There are some postings on the "other" forum comparing the 21's en masse. I got both the shade and a Leitz UVa filter, as well as front & rear Leitz caps with the lens. I certainly would not have bought the lens without the shade, as some preliminary searching for one - as well as a UVa filter - after locating another 21/4 Super-Angulon-R without either, revealed their extreme rareity. Fortunately I was able to buy a Leitz Yellow filter for it soon afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted February 1, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 1, 2010 The 21 4.0 won awards for its performance when it was new. Technology has come a long way since. Mine is not too far behind the my other Leica R wides in performance, but it is far from a modern lens. You would be better off with the 21/35 zoom. CV lenses are made to a price and you get what you pay for. The mechanics and optics are marginal and are not up to current standards. They are 30/40 year old standards optically and mid to lower mechanics. Some of the later lenses are reported to be better in the longer focals and are APO supposedly. Zeiss is making some wides for Nikon/Canon with CV as their mfgr contractor. Supposedly better than CV brand, but the mechanics are still second rate. Search the forums about "wobble" developing. Nobody has tapped into Leica R market so you are stuck unless you poney up the big money for the 21 /35. Nikon has a decent 14/24 for full frame Nikons including dslr. Their wide primes from the day performed ok on film, but leave something to be desired on dslr corners. They have distortion that would make the Leica engineers cry. In the mean time, use your lens at 8.0 if the corners are important, 4.0 if not. 72 mm filters will screw in so you do not have to get ser 8.5 for the shade. If you really want 8.2, B+W will make any color you want. If you want the best performance in wides, the latest M camera wides FROM LEICA are the way to go. You will be shocked at the price unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted February 1, 2010 Share #10 Posted February 1, 2010 The OP refers to the 21/4 for Leica R IINW. sorry, missed that...but I would still like to know if the 21/4-M can be put on the Bessas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Taylor Posted February 2, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 2, 2010 Couldn't help but to add to this thread, I just pick up a used Zeiss 21 mm f2.8 and had been thinking about the about getting the Zeiss 21 mm f4.5 for my M9 but decided against it since I had read that the 21 mm Zeiss 4.5 developed a color cast on the bottom of the picture when using the M9. I'm very please with this new addition . Bought a new 21 mm Voigtlander Viewer and Lens shade . Here are a few shots taken at 800 film speed at f2.8 in a car garage. Hank Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/111080-214-super-angulon-vs-214-color-skopar-compared/?do=findComment&comment=1209831'>More sharing options...
anabasis Posted February 2, 2010 Share #12 Posted February 2, 2010 I have both lenses, the SA f4-R and the VC 21 f4 -M. I prefer the SA myself. I don't use the CV too often, but it puts out decent images. The faster Leica and Zeiss offering are certainly better, although I don't own either. I tend to stop both of my lenses down to f8, but there is noticable vignetting on both lenses. I try to use this to my advantage. Unless you already have a Leica or Ikon body, I'd skip the CV just because Bessa bodies are very poor. I have a two of them, and while the R2M is better, the T has failed me (doesn't wind the film properly) after only a few rolls. The R2M had a screw fall out, again after very few rolls. I ended up getting an M7 and haven't used either Bessa since. JCA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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