Wolfgang Esslinger Posted January 21, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) At least if using it with a DMR plus an 80-200... - by tourists: a young Japanese chap came up to me to take a photo of me (well, of the camera - I just happened to hold it) while his girlfriend was giggling and shaking her head about men's strange behaviour... - by the police: on the Thames' south bank just beside Vauxhall bridge (I later noticed that according to my guidebook the building close by houses the MI6) - but they quickly found out I just happened to be a boring tourist - by security guards: when I tried to take a photo of the ice rink at Somerset House they wanted to make me sign a 3 page document agreeing not to publish any photo. With this camera I received more attention in London in 3 days than in Germany in 3 years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Angora Posted January 21, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 21, 2010 - by security guards: when I tried to take a photo of the ice rink at Somerset House they wanted to make me sign a 3 page document agreeing not to publish any photo. Sounds like U.-K. has become a strange place for harmless, innocent photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted January 21, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 21, 2010 George Orwell was right... he just got the date wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted January 21, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 21, 2010 George Orwell was right... he just got the date wrong. He got it all right and had some influence. But the trick it is now being sold as security for the people. "2010 is he new 1984" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 22, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 22, 2010 You know with terrorists everywhere you just have to be careful and especially security conscious, after all you never know where they are going to strike? If they carry a Leica, then you know that for sure they must be up to something! Be on the look-out, they are everywhere, just waiting... pointing cameras... It really is tragic that a lot of these so-called security measures are guided by big business. There is a lot of money to be made in generating fear. One of the lead export industries for the state of Israel is security, in fact I think they rank #1 worldwide. Keeping the occupation of Palestine alive, building walls of apartheid, and checkpoints is extremely good for business. Where do we draw the line??? Why not give a real and dignified peace a chance? That would eliminate all the hassles at the airports, but it will be bad for business, and we can' have that, can we??? It really is tragic!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christer Posted January 22, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 22, 2010 .............. But the trick it is now being sold as security for the people.......... I love what happened at Munich airport earlier this week. The Big Sniffer and See-Through Machine (probably costs a million) sounded the alarm, there was a suspicion of explosives in a laptop. By the time the machine turned on the alarm the guy with the laptop had disappeared - and has not yet, several days later, been identified, or found, for that matter. It then took the security people ten minutes (minutes, not seconds) to alert the police. After which one of the terminals was hermetically closed for hours. As Overgaard said, that's what they sell as security! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted January 22, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilfredo, I do think that Israel has a severe security problem which is not made up by business makers. Islam might be translated as "peace" but there are some indications that the islamic interpretation could be very unsatisfying for any other "condemned" religion. With all respect to your religious background I also see difficulties within the earth based constitutions of many religions to keep themself out of business. I know that the whole subject is very delicate and my answer is by no means intended to be aggressive to yourself. Kind regards Steve You know with terrorists everywhere you just have to be careful and especially security conscious, after all you never know where they are going to strike? If they carry a Leica, then you know that for sure they must be up to something! Be on the look-out, they are everywhere, just waiting... pointing cameras... It really is tragic that a lot of these so-called security measures are guided by big business. There is a lot of money to be made in generating fear. One of the lead export industries for the state of Israel is security, in fact I think they rank #1 worldwide. Keeping the occupation of Palestine alive, building walls of apartheid, and checkpoints is extremely good for business. Where do we draw the line??? Why not give a real and dignified peace a chance? That would eliminate all the hassles at the airports, but it will be bad for business, and we can' have that, can we??? It really is tragic!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 23, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2010 Yes, Israel has security risks and they have managed to turn security into a major industry. Once that happened it became a whole new ball game. It moved from security to profits. All three Abrahamic faiths were founded on the practice of justice. Sadly, not enough of us have the courage of the prophets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted January 23, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 23, 2010 ......................It really is tragic that a lot of these so-called security measures are guided by big business. There is a lot of money to be made in generating fear............................ BBC News - 'Bomb detector' maker Jim McCormick arrested BBC News - Newsnight - Export ban for useless 'bomb detector' BBC News - Newsnight - Tests reveal 'bomb detector' cannot work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 "It does not operate by battery, instead promotional material says it is powered only by the user's static electricity." If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh. Just how callous and irresponsible can business get ? Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenace Posted January 23, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 23, 2010 A security check lady at Munich airport made me take out my MP, take a useless snap and pack it back in... probably because the x rays bounce off the metal body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 23, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 23, 2010 ... If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh. Just how callous and irresponsible can business get ? Bob. I couldn't agree more, Bob. At least the Beeb is today reporting that he's been arrested on suspicion of fraud by misrepresentation. BBC News - 'Bomb detector' maker Jim McCormick arrested Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted January 23, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 23, 2010 Just how callous and irresponsible can business get ? I think you're quite wrong to blame "business": it's a callous and irresponsible con-man at work, plus - one can't help suspecting - unscrupulous people in Iraq and other places happy to rake off a share for themselves. It will be interesting to see whether government is to blame too. These things were exported from the UK to - according to one report - 20 countries. I wonder if the UK government provided export credit guarantees or other official support for devices that elementary scientific testing would have discredited in hours if not minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 24, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 24, 2010 "It does not operate by battery, instead promotional material says it is powered only by the user's static electricity." If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh. Just how callous and irresponsible can business get ? Bob. Just how stupid can a buyer get ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted January 25, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 25, 2010 At least if using it with a DMR plus an 80-200...- by tourists: a young Japanese chap came up to me to take a photo of me (well, of the camera - I just happened to hold it) while his girlfriend was giggling and shaking her head about men's strange behaviour... - by the police: on the Thames' south bank just beside Vauxhall bridge (I later noticed that according to my guidebook the building close by houses the MI6) - but they quickly found out I just happened to be a boring tourist - by security guards: when I tried to take a photo of the ice rink at Somerset House they wanted to make me sign a 3 page document agreeing not to publish any photo. With this camera I received more attention in London in 3 days than in Germany in 3 years! Hi Wolfgang Welcome to our great city, although on behalf of those responsible for organising such matters, I apologise that you missed out on the full photographer's experience whilst you were with us. For one thing, you were not using that terrorists' favoured weapon of choice, namely a tripod. The monopod that you were carrying just did not cut it, I'm afraid. This would no doubt explain why you were not wrestled to the ground by a gang of policemen, handcuffed, bundled into a police car, incarcerated for several hours in a cell and then given an £80 fixed penalty notice for abusive behaviour. Police detain photographer with Leica M6 in London suburb (update Friday 11am) news - Amateur Photographer - news, camera reviews, lens reviews, camera equipment guides, photography courses, competitions, photography forums And, of course, you did not help your cause by failing to take pictures of children, which would have opened up many other "opportunities" for you. The authorities do seem to have realised too late that if you want to keep a government building secret, it is best not erected in a prominent place in the centre of the capital. At least Somerset House only wanted a share of the revenue if you sold any pictures taken there, although I cannot see how monitoring such an agreement would be cost effective. The terrorists have won. Those in whom we have placed our trust have turned against innocent citizens and in a state of paranoia commit abuses in the name of keeping us protected. It is good to know that this state of affairs does not exist in Germany. On a personal note, it was good to meet you last weekend and I hope that we will be able to do so again sometime in the future. Regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Esslinger Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share #15 Posted January 25, 2010 ...I apologise that you missed out on the full photographer's experience whilst you were with us. Mike, It has been a pleasure meeting you and the other guys and I will certainly return to London in future to give the authorities another chance... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted January 25, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 25, 2010 Mike,I will certainly return to London in future to give the authorities another chance... I am sure that they will relish the opportunity! Regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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