Clandrel Posted January 12, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 12, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) What are your thoughts? What time is best for the switch (a switch I guess all of us wants sometime)? And do you think it's worth the money going from an M8 (say you get $2500 for it) to a $7000 M9? C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brucek Posted January 12, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 12, 2010 I seriously considered the M9 when it was first announced but have instead bought an M8.2 that I love. And even if I had a chance to buy an M9 now I wouldn't. I like the top LCD and IR capability of the M8. And since I have never really embraced wide angle photography FF doesn't offer much attraction. YMMV... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted January 12, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 12, 2010 I gave up. Lately, my M8 gave me such big satisfactions that I do not feel to switch to the M9. I'm not a pro, so it would be wasting money to me. I'm very fine with my camera. Just wish for a new firmware with some nice extras. But even that is not very important to me. I prefer to put the money aside and maybe buy the new Summilux 35 when it will be in shops.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proenca Posted January 12, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 12, 2010 It really depends... the problem is that the M9 delivers much - and it does - but its not , at least for me ( YMMV ) , super duper ultra ground breaking innovation. Yap its nice not to have IR filters on my lens, but hey, I bought them already and its a set and forget thing. Full frame its nice but I use my WATE for wide angle and moderate wide work and my 50mm Noctilux as a portrait lens. I'm fine with the crop factor of the M8. You groan ( or I did ) in the first months of ownership and then I forgot about it. Mind you, I own the M8 for almost 3 years. Low noise ISO : yap, thats a BIG plus on my book but then again, I can shoot up to 640 with absolute confidence that I can remove all noise in PP... 1250 with care. 2500 for black and white shoots. M9 seems much better in noise department than the M8 but "just" one full stop, ie, I see pictures of 1250 M9 that look M8 640's. Very nice but not worth 5000 usd. Extra MP : could use them but again, rarely had a need for more than the M8 resolving power : and more MP equates to more hard disk, more backups, more memory to the Mac... So all in all, the M9 its a great machine, no doubt. But I forsee myself waiting a bit more to buy a black M8.2 at a good price rather than a new M9. Now if they would make a M10 with a Nikon D3 / Canon 5DMKII noise free sensor retaining the M8 / M9 sharpness, I would sell the wife, kidney, lung, kids and house for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 12, 2010 Well, an accidental 1600 ISO shot on the M9. I rather liked it... And a 100% crop for the noise. No noise-reduction or sharpening in that crop in post-processing! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/109415-when-to-switch-to-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1184884'>More sharing options...
proenca Posted January 12, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 12, 2010 Well, an accidental 1600 ISO shot on the M9. I rather liked it... And a 100% crop for the noise. No noise-reduction or sharpening in post-processing! Jaap, you stop it ! You already are responsible for a burning hole in my credit card and for a WATE in my bag... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 12, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would say that it is less smooth than the 5D at really high ISO. 2500 is equivalent to the Canon 3200 setting - one of the funny quirks of digital. Colour retention is far better on the M9 and detail is far better on the M9, The rendering of the 5D looks a smoother from ISO 2000 upwards. That is the tradeoff between CCD and CMos. I would call the score 2-1 for Leica under 2000 with the 5D winning at Leica 2500-Canon 3200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 12, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 12, 2010 jaapv...very nice! I made a photo on my M8 at a high ISO by accident recently that turned out well. I love happy mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 12, 2010 Jaap, you stop it ! You already are responsible for a burning hole in my credit card and for a WATE in my bag... Sorry, this shot was really by mistake I forgot to reset ISO after the night before, when I produced some completely underexposed shots with atrocious noise.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 12, 2010 Jaap, you stop it ! You already are responsible for a burning hole in my credit card and for a WATE in my bag... And for your head rolling on the floor :p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 12, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 12, 2010 Is there a best time to switch? This is a question for someone who plans to make the switch, many of us opted to keep our M8's, I'm one of them. First factor for me was the cost. I paid $4800.00 for my M8 when it first came out and I'm not a pro, or someone sitting on money. That was my most extravagant photographic expense to date, and I'm more than happy with the IQ the M8 produces, more so than what I've seen from the M9. Except for the slightly improved ISO and the fact that the M9 is full frame, spending that kind of money for me is simply prohibitive. I'm happy for those who can and even more I'm happy that I was able to purchase a Canon 5D Mark II to satisfy my FF needs. I'm a happy camper, I have an M8, D2, and 5DII. As far as digital is concerned, I'm hooked-up. I won't be switching. PS I also love the frame counter on top of the M8. That should have never been sacrificed on the M9, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted January 12, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 12, 2010 I gave up. Lately, my M8 gave me such big satisfactions that I do not feel to switch to the M9. I'm not a pro, so it would be wasting money to me. I'm very fine with my camera. Just wish for a new firmware with some nice extras. But even that is not very important to me.I prefer to put the money aside and maybe buy the new Summilux 35 when it will be in shops.. I couldn't agree more! Besides, for those who really want it, IMHO the best moment to switch is when they'll make real chrome versions - either black or silver - instead of painted ones and when M9s will be available with a 15 days preorder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 12, 2010 Is there a best time to switch? This is a question for someone who plans to make the switch, many of us opted to keep our M8's, I'm one of them. First factor for me was the cost. I paid $4800.00 for my M8 when it first came out and I'm not a pro, or someone sitting on money. That was my most extravagant photographic expense to date, and I'm more than happy with the IQ the M8 produces, more so than what I've seen from the M9. Except for the slightly improved ISO and the fact that the M9 is full frame, spending that kind of money for me is simply prohibitive. I'm happy for those who can and even more I'm happy that I was able to purchase a Canon 5D Mark II to satisfy my FF needs. I'm a happy camper, I have an M8, D2, and 5DII. As far as digital is concerned, I'm hooked-up. I won't be switching. PS I also love the frame counter on top of the M8. That should have never been sacrificed on the M9, IMHO. Perfectly understandable and valid arguments, Wilfredo, except for your IQ remark. I really see better results from the M9 - or at least I have to work the M8 files harder to get similar results to the M9. And I doubt that I would have gotten a perfecly clean and green-blob free image in this example with the Summilux 24 at 1250 ISO Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/109415-when-to-switch-to-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1184981'>More sharing options...
brianv Posted January 12, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 12, 2010 I believe a pro would be wide to make the switch.The IR problem is solved, the new sensor is full-frame, and the ISO performance is improved. Wedding Photographers should especially consider the switch. The biggest complaint that I hear from professional photographers when using digital that came from film is "Blown Highlights". The solution is to use older Leica Glass. Lower Contrast Lenses means less image clipping. The Summarit 5cm f1.5 is the perfect portrait lens, and would be perfect for shots of the bride in white and groom in black. For myself- I'm not a pro, and this is a hobby. I went with an M8. I'll probably leave the M9 money in the bank collecting interest and get an M9 when the "M10" comes out. I hope an M10 does have that "Super-Low-Noise-High-Iso-GigaPixel Array". Now who wouldn't want to upgrade an M9 for that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted January 12, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 12, 2010 ...when your children turns 18 and moves out of the house, and you find your wife in bed with the "milkman" and you think back with a smile remembering you both signed the prenuptial agreement...then you are ready:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 12, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 12, 2010 Perfectly understandable and valid arguments, Wilfredo, except for your IQ remark. I really see better results from the M9 - or at least I have to work the M8 files harder to get similar results to the M9. And I doubt that I would have gotten a perfecly clean and green-blob free image in this example with the Summilux 24 at 1250 ISO Jaap, I don't think anyone is happier with their M9 than you are. You obviously found a match that is very satisfying to you. I'm glad it works for you. We all need tools that resonate with our personal vision, and for me, as I said earlier, "I'm hooked-up." I feel extremely fortunate to own an M8 and other cameras. I'm sure there are thousands of people out there who would love to own an M8, and are not able to, even with the used prices. BTW I have a show that just started and about half of the pictures were done with the M8. When the M10 comes along, I may be tempted to purchase one if finances permit it. Cheers! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/109415-when-to-switch-to-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1185047'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 12, 2010 (a switch I guess all of us wants sometime)? Not everyone, as you can see from some posts above. This is what I said 4 months ago...http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/98241-handled-m9-today-reinforced-decision-stick.html Not much has changed. But, I continue to follow the M9 threads to better understand its strengths and weaknesses. Jaap's "accidental" shot, by the way, is among the more impressive high ISO M9 results I've seen. For now, I still love the M8.2, but haven't bought a back-up yet since prices haven't migrated sufficiently downward for me. At some point in the meantime, perhaps an M9.2 or M10 will emerge and I'll make another judgment at that time. And, maybe a digital R solution will also emerge that has some appeal. (If only the S2 had a baby sister...I know, it's supposedly a dead deal.) I'm delighted the M9 came to fruition, and I wish Leica success with all new products so that we can continue to have choices to address our respective wants and needs. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted January 13, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 13, 2010 The M8 really is a complete camera in its own right, it does not demand a switch. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koala54 Posted January 13, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 13, 2010 When the price of the M9 comes down to the present price for an M8.2 I believe. The M8.2 is an excellent camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted January 13, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 13, 2010 Given the chatter in the M9 forum and the development cycle that I experienced with my M8u (Which I love dearly)... I will wait for the M9.2 or M10 before buying... And given the waiting list for the M9 - If I put my name in now I should be queued up to receive the M9.2!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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