Frank Black Posted December 24, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a M8 and a CM Before i used a Nikon F2 and a Nikon F801 With both sets i went travelling for a few months With the Nikons i shot a lot of film, spend a ot of money in buying film and developing, and had to carry all the film during my trip, worried myself about airport scanners and if the post services in Asia would deliver my sent film safely home, sometimes i was unlucky and had the wrong film in the camera, (iso, colour or bw) Then i spent hours scanning film... With the M8 and the CM...i got me a couple of memory cards and about 20 slide rolls I could always chose the iso and shoot in colour or bw at the moment, i did some back up`s and i was happy... The slides i shot with the CM are also beautyfull and they allow me to get some nostalgic shots I guess in pratical side of the story, i would go for the M8 or something like that Good luck and peace with your choice And Merry Christmas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Hi Frank Black, Take a look here Leica film or digital?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MikeMyers Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share #22 Posted December 25, 2009 I know what you mean, and can appreciate the differences. I'm in India now, and I'm enjoying all the benefits of digital (but with my Nikon D2x). There are times when I wish I had my M8 here instead, but there were practical reasons why I thought I needed to bring the Nikon. Had I thought everything through a bit more, I'd have packed one of my old Leicas with the collapsible Summicron 50, and done some of my shooting on film. The cost isn't all that much - just the purchase price of the film, and developing. It's difficult for me to put it into words, but the Leica is just "more enjoyable" to use. The big Nikon feels like a tool, while the Leica feels like an extension of "me". I've been thinking of buying a "good" scanner for some time now, and have been discussing that in the film forum. My brother gave me a very "basic" scanner, and the local photo shop here in Madurai would develop my film and give me back the scanned negatives for a minimal charge, so I do have choices on how to get the film photos into my emails home (which are fairly small images anyway, so no need for a "good" scanner yet). For my own choices, I've decided to keep my M8.2 for now (not change to a M9) and get my old film Leica cameras going again (if I can get rid of 30 years worth of "dust" :-) ). From the article I linked to, and what I've learned in this forum, I don't think the image quality of my photos will depend on the choice of film vs digital. Convenience-wise it's another story entirely... Using the corrected wording that someone suggested, I now feel that if I wanted to get the best possible landscape photo with a Leica, I might be better off with the Velvia film, as is shown in the article I originally linked to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 25, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 25, 2009 Yawn another wombat who thinks there is Leica film .............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted December 25, 2009 Yawn another wombat who thinks there is Leica film .............. Perhaps you're right, but on the other hand, I've learned long ago that just because some (or even many) people don't "see" something doesn't mean it's not there to those who are aware of it. It's usually better to ask questions, than to blindly follow assumptions... Sorry for disturbing your sleep. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 25, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 25, 2009 Good luck in your quest for leica film.......... I suggest Kodak. and if you are really a good hunter try agfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted December 25, 2009 Good luck in your quest for leica film.......... I suggest Kodak. and if you are really a good hunter try agfa I'm a bit confused as to how and why anyone would be hunting for "Leica film". I hope it's not referring to me, as what I will do is the same thing I've done for ages - go to the local photo shop and buy a roll or two or more of whatever they're selling, in a suitable sensitivity and length if possible. In India, I'm lucky to be able to find 35mm film of any type other than in the "bigger cities" and "tourist places". :-) As to developing, that will be done localy a well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 25, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 25, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yawn another wombat who thinks there is Leica film .............. Who said anything about "Leica film"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 25, 2009 Share #28 Posted December 25, 2009 Title Leica film or digital? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 25, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 25, 2009 Well, that is so obviously just lacking an item of punctuation, that I suspect that you are just being "difficult". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted December 25, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 25, 2009 Well, that is so obviously just lacking an item of punctuation, that I suspect that you are just being "difficult". Yeah Im new here, but i see that also here `you can find people who pay attention to every little detai of lack of it... Thus, difficult... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share #31 Posted December 26, 2009 Hmm... My fault - ought to have typed the "-", but my fingers weren't fast enough to follow what I was thinking. I think I typed the text first, then the system reminded me that I hadn't entered any title at all, so I did so, but wasn't thinking. Of course, one could always argue that "Leica film" referred to any film that is 35mm roll film in a suitable casette that fits into the camera, so technically, the title isn't completely wrong even without the missing character... Then too, we talk about Leica memory cards and other things, which are not manufactured by Leica... Therefore, there IS "Leica film". :-) The bottom line as I see it, is that both types of recording media are capable of being good enough to do what I want, and at the same time I learned a lot about Velvia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted December 26, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 26, 2009 Yeah Im new here, but i see that also here `you can find people who pay attention to every little detai of lack of it... Thus, difficult... Hmm... My fault - ought to have typed the "-", but my fingers weren't fast enough to follow what I was thinking. I think I typed the text first, then the system reminded me that I hadn't entered any title at all, so I did so, but wasn't thinking. Of course, one could always argue that "Leica film" referred to any film that is 35mm roll film in a suitable casette that fits into the camera, so technically, the title isn't completely wrong even without the missing character... Then too, we talk about Leica memory cards and other things, which are not manufactured by Leica... Therefore, there IS "Leica film". :-) The bottom line as I see it, is that both types of recording media are capable of being good enough to do what I want, and at the same time I learned a lot about Velvia. That`s why i like this forum.... I was worried that maybe you would take it the wrong way...and leading to a miss understanding... Nobel answer Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted December 27, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 27, 2009 I figure the only time I'm going to miss the film cameras is when I try to use that 12mm CV lens on my M8 .... No it's not. The tactile experience of an M8/.2/9 is a world away from an M2 etc. Not talking end results here but the shooting experience. Are the dealers still doing day trials with digital ? If they are, and it is convenient of course, do that and run your comparison you can make your decision. You may find that the best additional equipment you could buy to improve the quality of your landscapes is a tripod, this with apologies to those true believers that Leica and tripod should never appear in the same sentence unless the word tripod is preceded by the word no. Which points out that for ultimate end quality in landscape work the Leica, in whichever incarnation, may not be the best tool. Other choices such as travelability (have I just invented a word ?) do intrude so ultimate quality is defined within your own self set limits. As I inferred above personally I may trade off all the digital advantages for the pleasure in using a mechanical M but then I do often carry both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 27, 2009 Share #34 Posted December 27, 2009 Th'is thread is a great example of the 'issue' with digital and skies which I mentioned, and why I prefer film generally for landscapes. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/landscape-travel/103668-field-latchford-herts.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #35 Posted December 28, 2009 No it's not. The tactile experience of an M8/.2/9 is a world away from an M2 etc. Not talking end results here but the shooting experience. Are the dealers still doing day trials with digital ? If they are, and it is convenient of course, do that and run your comparison you can make your decision. You may find that the best additional equipment you could buy to improve the quality of your landscapes is a tripod, this with apologies to those true believers that Leica and tripod should never appear in the same sentence unless the word tripod is preceded by the word no. Which points out that for ultimate end quality in landscape work the Leica, in whichever incarnation, may not be the best tool. Other choices such as travelability (have I just invented a word ?) do intrude so ultimate quality is defined within your own self set limits. As I inferred above personally I may trade off all the digital advantages for the pleasure in using a mechanical M but then I do often carry both Er, Chris, I think you have my words backwards. Why would I want a one day trial of something I already have? ...and yes, I aleady have a great tripod, but it's half a world away right now, and I'm not going to use up half of my luggage weight allowance for something that big and heavy. I know the advantages of a tripod, but that is not what I was asking about... :-) Rightly or wrongly, I meant it just the way I wrote it "I figure the only time I'm going to miss the film cameras is when I try to use that 12mm CV lens on my M8 ...." This would not apply to a M9, just to my M8, when using the 12mm lens, because on my old film Leica cameras, I would get the full field of view that this lens is capable of providing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #36 Posted December 28, 2009 That`s why i like this forum.... I was worried that maybe you would take it the wrong way...and leading to a miss understanding... Nobel answer Cheers :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted December 28, 2009 Share #37 Posted December 28, 2009 Er, Chris, I think you have my words backwards. Why would I want a one day trial of something I already have? . My bad, apologies, but why would you ask here what would give the best results when you have the equipment available to run your own test and make a decision on your values ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted December 28, 2009 Share #38 Posted December 28, 2009 Film. Sorry but for some subjects its just better and one of those is Landscape. Digital skies look wrong. Just MHO of course. Here though is a pro who has moved over to digital for the skies Must admit though it is uneven development in his 10 x 8 film that's the problem and it's to a Phase One P65+ back 8x10/MFDB Comparison - Luminous Landscape Forum Now what was that comment earlier about using the correct gear for the best results ? Check out his website, and weep http://www.murrayfredericks.com.au/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted December 28, 2009 Share #39 Posted December 28, 2009 ... whole-heartedly agree with earleygallery about digital skies. They are an abomination Digital sensor vs film really comes down to a matter of aesthetics. It's unreasonable to think that film can't compete in the digital world. Film can be competently scanned into the digital realm and manipulated with much of the same software that is used for files captured on digital sensors. The real differences between film and digital sensors has mostly to do with aesthetics and approach. It's simply a matter of "what do you like better?"...or "how would you prefer to work?" In these days, a film shooter is not truly in control of his medium if he is relying on outside sources to process and scan his film. The best hand processing and nikon scanning technique only goes so far...High quality film work really requires a consistent and precise workflow. Those that are really serious about film should probably be thinking about a jobo and something like an imacon scanner. Don't trust any film vs digital opinions that are coming from photographers that haven't demonstrated their ability to perform the most precise film workflow. Film is easy to experiment with but is a huge commitment to do it right. When I add up the costs of competently returning to film it starts approaching S2 system pricing territory lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #40 Posted December 28, 2009 My bad, apologies, but why would you ask here what would give the best results when you have the equipment available to run your own test and make a decision on your values ? I'm guessing that you forgot what I wrote, and what my comparison was going to be. No, I don't have all the equipment, only the M3 (or my M2) and the M8. No problem - I also get wrapped up in discussions, and forget some of the information given when they first got started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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