bill Posted December 6, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Update: 1 week in, 31 donations - a long way short of the 192 people who declared "I'm in!" on the first thread on this subject. Come on people!!! L•Camera Forum is fundraising for AICR - JustGiving Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 6, 2009 Sorry Bill - I'll find time next week -I hope... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted December 6, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 6, 2009 Bill, thanks for the reminder. I just donated 30Pound. Now it is time to see how to continue with the images... Regards Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted December 6, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 6, 2009 Update: 1 week in, 31 donations - a long way short of the 192 people who declared "I'm in!" on the first thread on this subject. Come on people!!! L•Camera Forum is fundraising for AICR - JustGiving Regards, Bill You shouldn't have excluded people, which are less than 3 months member of this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted December 6, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 6, 2009 Bill, I'm working on it. I'm trying to find more than one of my pictures which may be worthy enough to submit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted December 6, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 6, 2009 You shouldn't have excluded people, which are less than 3 months member of this forum. I fully agree. Posted this in the other thread to no avail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted December 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) You shouldn't have excluded people, which are less than 3 months member of this forum. I fully agree. Posted this in the other thread to no avail. Gentlemen, as I have explained before, I introduced this rule to discourage those who join just for this purpose. We saw a lot of this during "One Leica Day" - people who had never been seen before or since who fired in an entry. The rule will not be changed. End of discussion. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted December 6, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 6, 2009 Gentlemen, as I have explained before, I introduced this rule to discourage those who join just for this purpose. We saw a lot of this during "One Leica Day" - people who had never been seen before or since who fired in an entry. The rule will not be changed. End of discussion. I certainly respect your decision, but each "unwelcome" entry would have earned your cause valuable cash, new member or not. I would have £30 and photos waiting at the click of a mouse, but I do want to feel welcome. So if you choose to be choosy... tough luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted December 6, 2009 A donation does not "buy" you a right to have your photo or photos included. There is nothing stopping you donating to a worthy cause anyway through Justgiving, or by buying the eventual book. It's your choice whether or not to be generous. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted December 7, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 7, 2009 Bill, I'm still selecting pix to submit. I'm definitely in -- BUT it would have been easier if the submission deadline were Jan 31. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted December 7, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 7, 2009 Have to admit, I agree with Bill Parsons. What with Thanksgiving and now Christmas coming up, I haven't had any time to review photos. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted December 7, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 7, 2009 Gentlemen, as I have explained before, I introduced this rule to discourage those who join just for this purpose. We saw a lot of this during "One Leica Day" - people who had never been seen before or since who fired in an entry. The rule will not be changed. End of discussion. Regards, Bill I didn't ask to change that "rule". And I didn't start a discussion. I accepted it. But you asked, didn't you? Why this agressive reply? Nevertheless, I find this rule pointlless at this moment, where the M9 has just been released, which just meant a switch to Leica from other systems for quite a few people, such as me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted December 7, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 7, 2009 I would support an exclusion for new owners of Leica stuff. If someone like Andreas has *just* become a Leica owner, how about relaxing the 3-month rule for them. Of course, I'll need a pill if I'm to look at a beautiful picture taken by a Leica-newby when I've had all these years to try to learn how to use this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted December 7, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 7, 2009 A donation does not "buy" you a right to have your photo or photos included. There is nothing stopping you donating to a worthy cause anyway through Justgiving, or by buying the eventual book. It's your choice whether or not to be generous. This is not about "buying" vanity exposure, but rather about your difficult to understand (see the current submission statistics) preference of "old buddies" (those who joined before your deadline) over "newcomers" (whether new to Leica or not). I generally donate to national or regional associations in my home countries, as this makes it easier for me to follow and relate to their work and the difference they make. Nevertheless, I was interested in contributing to your project, despite never having heard of the AICR before, and thus not being able to relate to it in the same way. Being welcomed, and being able to collaborate on the final book product would have made it easier for me to relate, regardless of whether any of my entries would have ended up in the book or not. Since you made it clear that collaboration is not an option, I'll continue to turn my attention to worthy causes next door just as I did before. I would just have moved on and skipped this thread if it had not been for your rather aggressive response. Thanks and good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted December 7, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 7, 2009 Bill. I'm fine with the rules as they are, and I understand how much work this project has been so far. I contributed $$ but have not had time lately to select images. I will submit them by the deadline though. Great choice for the charity as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 7, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 7, 2009 Bill, I would not loose sleep if the contributing newer members were included, after all, we have seen several new members around the release of the M9. that said, a rule is a rule and I did both read and agree before signing up... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 9, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 9, 2009 Following discussions such as the one above, those of us who are organising the Book have had a discussion overnight Having left the smoke filled room, the beer and the sandwiches, and being 100% reasonable people, we gave decided that to be fair to everyone, the cut off date for membership of the forum for the purposes of submitting photographs for consideration, will be the 23rd November. Therefore, anyone who joined BEFORE the announcement was made is now very welcome to take part Bill has explained very clearly why the previous cut off date was included, but by amending it, we do now include anyone new to Leica, lucky enough to gave bought an M9 in the first couple of months of it's life. I hope that this now means that those if you who would have taken part, but for the cut off date, will now do so, and I look forward to seeing your contributions and submissions come through I will amend the rules thread accordingly. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 9, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 9, 2009 Following discussions such as the one above, those of us who are organising the Book have had a discussion overnight Having left the smoke filled room, the beer and the sandwiches, and being 100% reasonable people, we gave decided that to be fair to everyone, the cut off date for membership of the forum for the purposes of submitting photographs for consideration, will be the 23rd November. Therefore, anyone who joined BEFORE the announcement was made is now very welcome to take part Bill has explained very clearly why the previous cut off date was included, but by amending it, we do now include anyone new to Leica, lucky enough to gave bought an M9 in the first couple of months of it's life. I hope that this now means that those if you who would have taken part, but for the cut off date, will now do so, and I look forward to seeing your contributions and submissions come through I will amend the rules thread accordingly. Thanks Right decision, I approve: but, I do not understand well the evidenced phrase... I'm not involved, but I think it's not intended to exclude someone who, for example, joined the forum some days before Nov. 23 having already, for instance, a M8 or so, right ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 9, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 9, 2009 Of course not Anyone who was a member of the forum on the day before the announcement was made, with ANY Leica, is welcome to take part in the LUF Book Project The point was that there are people in this M9 sub-section complaining that they felt excluded. Now they are not. This is not an M9 project. It's not a digital project. It's not an M project. It's a Leica project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbatim666 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 10, 2009 My opinion doesn't count for anything as I have not contributed at all - just a lurker. I do want to commend wholeheartedly the organisers of this book though. It is a great idea and I am sure involving very significant effort. Clearly the membership deadline was not perfect for some people, that was taken on board and what to me was an excellent decision was made. I have 2 regrets for me. Firstly that I had not noticed this project earlier. Secondly, that it is such a shame I epitomise the phrase "all the gear and no idea", so I can't lay my hands on a fantastic image just like that. To my shame (and painful as it is to admit this on a leica forum) all my recent work has been on a canon. Hopefully a new M9 will cure that! Even if I am not a worthy contributor I would like the organisers to know that I think their efforts for a good cause are great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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