tategoi Posted December 30, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had much problem when using Kingston 8GB SDHC. Today I went to look for Ultra II but was told that Sandisk had re-branded all Ultra xx to Ultra® SDHC™ and Extremes xx to "Extreme". Is that what you have understood from your Sandisk dealer in your part of the world as well? And at only 15MB/sec do you think the Ultras are too slow, given that each DNG file is about 20-30MB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 30, 2009 Posted December 30, 2009 Hi tategoi, Take a look here Three SD cards all failing on my M9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted December 30, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 30, 2009 For some reason, Ultra cards are currently faster in the M9 than the theoretically faster Extreme. This may change at some future firmware update. You also save about 50% on the purchase price. On the M8, Extreme are faster than Ultra but not by much. You would really only notice it, if you are taking bursts of DNG's. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartie Posted December 30, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 30, 2009 Leica's top recommendation (from the M9 user manual) is the UltraII, not Extreme III. In my M9 user manual Leica recommends" the extreme III or professional Cards from Sanisk or Lexar (page 109 under the" Notes " heading . Andy ps..I use the extreme III 8gb with no probs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 30, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 30, 2009 In my M9 user manual Leica recommends" the extreme III or professional Cards from Sanisk or Lexar (page 109 under the" Notes " heading . Andy ps..I use the extreme III 8gb with no probs ....perhaps in anticipation of the firmware being updated so that fast cards work as they should have done from day one, in a perfect world. I have had no problems with Ultra II 16GB cards, which is all I have used in my M9 but it would seem that quite a few people have been struggling with various cards, including Lexar. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theendlesshouse Posted December 30, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 30, 2009 Try reinstalling the firmware and using a 4gig card? Start small and work up before you send it off. Or take it back to dealer and let them look at it with you in store looking on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainiac37 Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted December 30, 2009 Thanks for the various suggestions, but I've basically done these. I am using an Extreme3 4GB card now. Still the problem persists. I've sent it off to Leica for 10 days of repair, and their head technician has decided that it's good enough to send back to me. Well, it's still having problem now. So, the professional cards aren't going to help here, I'm afraid. I haven't tried a 2GB card, but am not interested in buying bunch of cards to perform beta testing for Leica... It's more like 5 SD cards are failing now, and no card works reliably. All cards that I've tried has intermittent issues. (Intermittent meaning fails on a daily basis.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 30, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I understand Costco is a fine place for supplies for a $7000 camera. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasscain Posted December 30, 2009 Share #28 Posted December 30, 2009 Yes, you're right. I was thinking of the 'M9 Faq' which you can get from Leica's website, where they do say the Ultra II 4 Gb is the most recommend. Interesting.. Andrew In my M9 user manual Leica recommends" the extreme III or professional Cards from Sanisk or Lexar (page 109 under the" Notes " heading . Andy ps..I use the extreme III 8gb with no probs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strynoski Posted December 30, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 30, 2009 I've had similar problems with SDHC cards, both Lexar platinum hi-speed, and SanDisk Ultra II (both were 4G.) In one case, the card seemed to be permanently corrupted after trying to format in my M9, as I was not able to re-format it in any of my cameras (Canon, Panasonic.) I'm glad to hear that a firmware update is coming--I've only had my M9 for a few days, and I'm not ready to part with it just yet. I am currently using standard (non-SDHC) 2G Ultra II cards, and they are working just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 31, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 31, 2009 These issues are not exclusive to the M9. I have the "SD CARD Locked" problem with my Leica M8 using Extreme III SanDisk cards. I've already sent it to Leica for repair once, and today it is being shipped back to Allendale, N.J.. It appears that not all M8 - M9 cameras have this problem, but enough of them do so that this issue pops up periodically. I trust Leica will do right by me and not charge me for the repair since the first time I sent it to them all they did was clean the contacts. The problem persisted. Here's another related thread: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1173363 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
playingolf Posted January 1, 2010 Share #31 Posted January 1, 2010 Having been a commercial photographer for some 30 years, my partner and I have been Leica owners for a long time, and have a dozen lenses and four bodies between us. We looked into the M8, and he had one for a couple of months, but never warmed up to the crop factor, preferring our film bodies and the full frame use of the glass. I have an M7 that was given to me as a gift, and 2 M6s and his original M4. On Sept 9th were both excited about the M9 because of the full-frame and he decided to order one. I was going to wait and see his, but with all reviews and high demand, I succumbed and ordered one as well. His came in 3-4 weeks ago, mine not yet... but after a period of foolishness with slow operation, shutting off, this card problem, and locking up, etc, calls to Leica, and the dealer swapping out the camera once, yesterday he gave up and just returned the camera, disgusted. I agreed with him and cancelled my order, as I have a much lower tolerance for any premium-priced product that clearly has design issues. I am sad because I really wanted it to be the Leica the M8 was not, the Leica we had waited for. We will probably revisit this purchase when Leica gets its act together, but I have no interest in paying $7K to be a beta tester. Leica, please tell us how is it that basically every little crappy P&S camera seems to work fine with any SD card. My family probably has at least 6 of these, Canons, Casios, etc. and NONE of these have a problem taking basically any SD card we have laying about. ALSO, how can it POSSIBLY take the M9 that long in this modern day and age to write images to a card??? Or...how can you justify that lousy little low-res monitor with no Liveview when Nikon and others have delivered 4 times that at a fifth of the price for almost 2 years now. For the record, because of the problems, he could not use his new M9 at our own Christmas party, where basically everyone in the room knows what it was, that it was $7K, and that he had been talking about it with great anticipation since Sept 9th...no, it was not embarrassing, it was a running joke people teased him with over the course of the evening. This sadly points out once again that Leica is not, nor have they ever been an electronics company. Leica is a little mechanical shop that lovingly hand-builds cameras like Rolex builds a mechanical watch. Leica knows a great deal about optics and mechanics, yet sadly next to nothing of today's state of the art camera electronics and the associated operating firmware. Leica embarrasses themselves by offering the D-LUX4, which by contrast to the M9 is electronically excellent, and the best value product ever to wear a red dot, IMHO. I can only wonder how nice the M9 would have been if Panasonic was responsible for the electrics. For now, I will watch the forum for the "all clear" on the M9. Until then, may this period of growing pains be short for those of you with the patience to deal with it, and above all a safe, prosperous and Happy New Year to all. Sincerely, KJ Doyle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioalessi Posted January 1, 2010 Share #32 Posted January 1, 2010 Has anyone thought to check and see if the SD cards are counterfeit? ALso have you sent the card back to sandisk under their warranty? Mobile Cards - SanDisk Community Fake SanDisk Ultra II SD cards revealed! I have used a mixture of sandisk SD and SDHC cards as well as 2 4GB standard SD cards and never had that problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainiac37 Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share #33 Posted January 1, 2010 Has anyone thought to check and see if the SD cards are counterfeit? ALso have you sent the card back to sandisk under their warranty? I have used a mixture of sandisk SD and SDHC cards as well as 2 4GB standard SD cards and never had that problem. Mine didn't look counterfeit, although I'm not sure that I can say with 100% confidence. I've tested 5 different cards though, all from different sources and even at a local pro camera store. I don't think that's the problem. Why should I send the cards to SanDisk? "Oh, your cards work on every crappy P&S but not on my $7000 Leica, so it must be your SD card's problem."....?! Leica took my camera, kept it for 10 days, claimed to have fixed it, and now I'm still having intermittent problem. I'm not seeing that the SD card manufacturers are at fault here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainiac37 Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share #34 Posted January 1, 2010 KJ, I feel for your partner. It's what I went through, although mine was not quite so rough/vicious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 1, 2010 Share #35 Posted January 1, 2010 So far, knock on wood, my M9 has been working great (unlike my first M8). But I will second the notion that Leica really should have worked with Panasonic on the electronics instead of recycling the M8 and therefore compromising speed etc as the M9 has almost twice the info too move. Really not sure what they were thinking other than they weren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 1, 2010 Share #36 Posted January 1, 2010 I am afraid it seems that owning a Leica has increasingly become like owning a Lotus (Lots Of Trouble - Usually Serious), where the customer did/does the testing. Now this is good news for the manufacturer in two ways. Firstly you get the cash flow in your coffers from selling product and secondly people have paid to be your beta testers, rather than you having to pay testing staff. Having worked with Colin Chapman in the early 1970's, he was totally open and wholly cynical that that was what he did - he could not afford to do anything else as the F1 team soaked up all the cash. I am guessing that the M9 was rushed to market to alleviate Leica's cash flow problems. A mature product would have had the Maestro processor, more resolved firmware, a 920,000 pixel polycarbonate screen, non-cracking IR filters and weather sealing. Now I have to put my hand up and say that, crossed fingers, my M9 has been fine but it is now looking a bit like the SDS in the early days of the M8 - I am just waiting for it to go wrong. Do I ever consider that with my Ricoh GX200 - no. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scc Posted January 1, 2010 Share #37 Posted January 1, 2010 For now, I will watch the forum for the "all clear" on the M9. Until then, may this period of growing pains be short for those of you with the patience to deal with it, and above all a safe, prosperous and Happy New Year to all.e Its well worth remembering that there are a lot of us out there that have perfectly functioning M9's that are a pleasure to use. I've had no issues (touch wood) and am loving the experience. Furthermore, I think the M9 gives the closest experience to shooting a film camera of any digital camera I've ever used. While I agree that improvements could definitely be made (eg screen res / processor speed / SD compatibility), none of these get in the way of taking a photo and generating outstanding results, provided you have a functioning model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted January 1, 2010 Share #38 Posted January 1, 2010 ....... like Rolex builds a mechanical watch. KJ Doyle Not to be pedantic but my only beef is with Rolex "hand-building" a mechanical watch. That's akin to Mercedes hand-building cars. I believe Rolex makes about 800K watches a year (doubtful they are hand made). Outfits like FP Journe, Lange & Sohne and even Patek Philippe are hand made to a large extent and more in the class of the Leica MP series. And then there is watchmaker Philippe Dufour who is arguably altogether in a different league. Don't know if there is a camera that meets that quality but the MP-3 sure came close. In my opinion the MP-3 reached the pinnacle of mechanical rangefinders in quality of build. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted March 2, 2010 Share #39 Posted March 2, 2010 As previously stated, my M8 was sent to N.J. for repair for this issue (second trip). After two months in New Jersey I am now told it will be another three weeks for the repair to be completed and the camera has been sent to Germany for the needed surgery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielt Posted March 2, 2010 Share #40 Posted March 2, 2010 Sandisk Extreme III 8GB class 6, Lexar 8GB 133x class 6 and Panasonic Gold 16 GB class 10, are working well on my M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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