Mokkacream Posted December 5, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica has invested about 2 Mio Euro into new hard- and software, to increase the precision of polishing aspherical glas, measuring the results adequately and to frame the glas in a way to minimize the difference between the optical and mechanical axis. Karbe demonstrated those technologies at the german LEICA days in November this year. All these steps were necessary in order to realize the new 50 Noctilux. These technologies were furthermore implemented into the new Summilux 21 and 24, which made these designs become reality at all. 2 Mio Euro investment to just produce 3 new lenses? You can expect, that they will eventually update almost all M lenses in the near future. The first one will be the 35 Summilux (and it might be even a 35 f/1.2 Noctilux instead). I guess it will be launched in March/April 2010. The 35 is THE standard for a 24/36 FF and most probably the mostly used focal length on a M camera at all. So updating that lens would be more than a logical step. Furtherfore, it is very reasonable to assume, that a 28 and 75 Summilux will follow soon, esp. because there has already existed a 75 Summilux in the past. Both would be very interesting lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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michael_b_elmer Posted December 5, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 5, 2009 If the new one will come without a focusing tab I will be thrilled! My only Leica lens with a tab is the 35/2 ASPH and ... it ... just doesn't feel right ... The others (50/1.4 ASPH, 50/2.8, 75/2) do not have the tab and they feel more natural to me. ... Some people prefer ice cream with chocolate flavour, others prefer vanilla. I like the focusing tabs which make it much easier to handle the smaller Leica lenses. Leica's strategy with regard to focusing tabs has, perhaps, not been quite consequent. There is normally no tab on 75, 90 and 135 mm M-lenses, whereas M-lenses of 50 mm or less are normally provided with such a tab. There are, however, exceptions. Where the 50 Lux asph has a tab, it is absent on the 50 Lux pre-asph, at least in some of the latest versions (I have one in black paint without any tab). The 21 and 24 Lux asph lenses have no focusing tabs, probably because these lenses are so big and heavy that the user must support these lenses with the left hand so that it feels more natural to focus with the left hand than with the index and long fingers on the users right hand. The WATE and MATE both have three rings, and the tab makes identification of the focusing ring much easier, which is easy to see when comparing the second version of the MATE (with a tab) with the first version (without a tab). I think the tab is one of the reasons why most MATE users prefer the second version of this lens. As others have pointed out, the oldest lens designs are now the 50 Cron and the 35 Lux asph, and a 28 Lux is completely missing in the stable. I think we must during 2010 see a 50 Cron asph, a new 35 Lux asph and a 28 Lux asph. Hopefully, Leica will also develop new super wides, for instance a 16 Super-Elmar asph and a 18 Elmarit asph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.M Posted December 5, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 5, 2009 I don't like tabs , Leica should make screw on/off tabs , so one has a choice. Etienne Michiels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 5, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 5, 2009 Well if my WANT can help Lars get what he need, then Im all for that. I would like a 35 with floating element, no backfocus issues what so ever. and beautiful crisp focus with a very smooth defocused area. I have no intentions of investing in the current 35mm 1.4 and am making "do" with the cv 35mm 1.4 until a back-focus free 35lux become a reality. BTW.. when aware of the issues with the cv 35mm lux, it is a lovely lens on the M9. Aside from that "need" for speed on old film, I think the defocus of a 1.4 lens is a very valid reason in itself even on modern cameras, this is a lovely looking FOV and DOF. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 5, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 5, 2009 I don't like tabs , Leica should make screw on/off tabs , so one has a choice. Etienne Michiels ....and if they are going to put tabs on, get rid of the razor sharp edges. I actually cut my finger on my 50 Lux one. I ended up blunting it with 1200 grade wet and dry paper and then put the polished finish back with a mini-buff on a Dremel. I like the focus bumps that the Zeiss ZM lenses have - maybe the best of both worlds. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manilius Posted December 6, 2009 Share #26 Posted December 6, 2009 I was in touch with Leica Germany a few weeks ago over the 35mm Lux... They told me they had ceased production on the current model, but a new version would be available in late March, 2010... Having just picked up my M9 last week I'm gunna use a 35mm Cron for the mo... Then see what happens come late March... I just know it's gunna be darn expensive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 6, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was in touch with Leica Germany a few weeks ago over the 35mm Lux... They told me they had ceased production on the current model, but a new version would be available in late March, 2010... Having just picked up my M9 last week I'm gunna use a 35mm Cron for the mo... Then see what happens come late March... I just know it's gunna be darn expensive! .....from the horses' mouth! I just hope they have the foresight to bring it out in grey/chrome as well as black. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #28 Posted December 6, 2009 actually I would be fine with a black or chrome lens, the "gray" scratches awfully easy, my camera have a whole collection of little marks already, there is a black primer or under paint, so little scratches end up being black which shows easily. the camera is a everyday work camera, so it goes in the backpack and everywhere... but still, its picking up more marks than the chrome M8... or at least its showing them more. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 6, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 6, 2009 actually I would be fine with a black or chrome lens, the "gray" scratches awfully easy, my camera have a whole collection of little marks already, there is a black primer or under paint, so little scratches end up being black which shows easily. the camera is a everyday work camera, so it goes in the backpack and everywhere... but still, its picking up more marks than the chrome M8... or at least its showing them more. . Bo, Was your one an "early" grey one? The UK Leica rep told me that a new harder grey coating was applied from mid October onwards (on sale from last week in October). In just over a month and a lot of in and out of a Billingham, mine seems to have picked up no marks at all. A chrome lens may mean a brass body and that means weight. My chrome on brass 35 ASPH Lux is pretty heavy. Titanium hot metal sprayed or vacuum deposited may be another way to get a robust silver coating on an alloy body lens. That is what Contax used on their G lenses. It does tend to develop a slightly yellow hue over the years though. The genuine Contax G cap I use on the copy GG2 hood on my 35 Lux has a distinctly jaundiced look. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 6, 2009 Wilson, Out of the shipment box from Leica something like first week of Nov. honesty it don't get any pampering and my M8 is pretty beat up, its most the black underpaint which stand out. None of this affect the picture quality which is simply outstanding. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted December 7, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 7, 2009 2 Mio Euro investment to just produce 3 new lenses? You can expect, that they will eventually update almost all M lenses in the near future. The first one will be the 35 Summilux (and it might be even a 35 f/1.2 Noctilux instead). I guess it will be launched in March/April 2010. The 35 is THE standard for a 24/36 FF and most probably the mostly used focal length on a M camera at all. So updating that lens would be more than a logical step. Furtherfore, it is very reasonable to assume, that a 28 and 75 Summilux will follow soon, esp. because there has already existed a 75 Summilux in the past. Both would be very interesting lenses. where did you hear that leica might be doing a 35 noct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
horosu Posted December 7, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 7, 2009 I would be very interested in a new 35 Lux, with no focus shift, good near focus performance (as I shoot a 35 mm in 1-2 m distances most of the time) and no focus tab. Now THAT would be a lens to have! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 7, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 7, 2009 I'm not sure if I agree with you about there being a glaring hole or indeed...a need for a 28 Summilux. There exists, as you know, a Summicron and an Elmarit, at a focal length of 28 there simply isn't a need for anything faster. The most recent 24 and 21 Summilux' are great but not superior to their Elmarits counterpart (I have all the aforementioned) other than for bragging rights and one could even argue that for what one gives up in size/weight, the extra two stops aren't worth it. Now an updated 35 Summilux which is an EVERYDAY standard lens that one can practically do everything with due to it's incredibly low distortion and without focus shift...now we're talking ~allabouttheglass both lux much better at f1.4 and f2.0 IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erg Posted December 7, 2009 Share #34 Posted December 7, 2009 The current 35 Lux is not on stock anymore.There will probably be a new one next year. I pre ordered mine today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice9 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share #35 Posted December 8, 2009 pre-ordered. What did you "pre-order"? You can't "pre-order" an item that has not been anounced and the dealer has no information on, unless you mean you dealer promised to sell you the first one if and when they are announced and delivered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erg Posted December 8, 2009 Share #36 Posted December 8, 2009 pre-ordered. What did you "pre-order"? You can't "pre-order" an item that has not been anounced and the dealer has no information on, unless you mean you dealer promised to sell you the first one if and when they are announced and delivered. You're right. It's an unofficial pre-order from an unnamed dealer for a virtual lens that was not announced yet. It's based on my experiences with the M9. I had ordered my M9 in spring 2009 based on the early rumors and already got in on 9.9.2009. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted December 8, 2009 Share #37 Posted December 8, 2009 You're right. It's an unofficial pre-order from an unnamed dealer for a virtual lens that was not announced yet. It's based on my experiences with the M9. I had ordered my M9 in spring 2009 based on the early rumors and already got in on 9.9.2009. Quite a good idea ... I just pre-pre ordred the new 28 Summilux, 35 Summilux and 75 Summilux. I want them all!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 8, 2009 Share #38 Posted December 8, 2009 Andreas, You are escalating here.... its like the cold war. I want a new 35 lux, but why not a 135 lux and a 15mm lux..? if we are going to start preordering on rumors, lets cover the bases. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted December 8, 2009 Share #39 Posted December 8, 2009 Funny, the back focus on my 35 Lux Asph was noticeable on my M8 (but I didn't like 35 on the M8 anyway so rarely used it except when I needed the 1.4) doesn't really seem to be a problem with the M9, at least in real world use. I ran some ruler tests and it was really difficult to tell if it was back focusing or not. Must be down to the FF and the way depth of field works compared to the crop sensor. Of course I haven't blown anything up to wall size yet! I have a used 35 cron asph coming to me. Will be interesting to see how the two compare. As it is, I know I will never be able to afford a new 35 Lux - I got mine for $1350, mint condition, long before the digital M craze started. I can't even touch new Leica lens prices these days on a freelance photographers salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 8, 2009 Share #40 Posted December 8, 2009 Andreas, You are escalating here.... its like the cold war. I want a new 35 lux, but why not a 135 lux and a 15mm lux..? if we are going to start preordering on rumors, lets cover the bases. . I have heard that it will be a 135 Noctilux f0.95. Included in the price will be a free golf trolley to carry it around with. A bit like the Zeiss 1700mm f4. Look at the size of the attached Hassy V! Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/105607-new-35-lux/?do=findComment&comment=1144122'>More sharing options...
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