GreyCoupe Posted October 27, 2009 Share #21 Posted October 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find curious the suggestions that R fans shouldn't bother with efforts to convince Leica that we are still out here, still hoping. Imagine the efforts if Leica surprised our M cousins with a decision to end manufacture of M bodies, and what loud catterwalling would follow!! Polite requests about R would turn to vicious complaints about how the world is entitled to M and future M development. Leica has promised an R compatible body, and we continue hoping, and watching and waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted October 27, 2009 Share #22 Posted October 27, 2009 Leica has promised an R compatible body... I think not. Let's not put words in people's mouths. The last word was a "suitable solution": "There will be no digital SLR aka R10 But there will be - and we are working on this - a suitable solution how to use R lenses digitally It's very important to us, that owners of R lenses can take pictures digitally in the near future" Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 27, 2009 Share #23 Posted October 27, 2009 I can see the thread now; "What would happen if the R10 was a flawed camera?":D Think economics - much as I'd like a digital R version of the M (MF, simplistic approach, etc.) I doubt that such a camera is an economic proposition and Leica are after all in business to make money, survive and stay in business. If an R solution is potentially profit making then it will probably happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted October 27, 2009 Share #24 Posted October 27, 2009 I can see the thread now; "What would happen if the R10 was a flawed camera?":D Think economics - much as I'd like a digital R version of the M (MF, simplistic approach, etc.) I doubt that such a camera is an economic proposition and Leica are after all in business to make money, survive and stay in business. If an R solution is potentially profit making then it will probably happen It is real fun to read about "business" "make money""accountants" interesting very interesting,since the commercial "universities" start selling "business" degrees by the pound the world is flooded by profit seekers, too many chiefs where are the indians i would say. No product has any market before its design & introduction ,if designers and R&D were operating with "markets" "profits""business" in their heads we all would be still in the caves with only available commodity to trade raw meat.Financial ,technological and social evolution happens when human spirit creates free from stock holders breathing on his neck begging and pushing for some easy profit without effort.Nobody can predict what can happen when Leica presents RdSLR because it will be a new market and if skilled people start selling and they are not threaten by stockholders for fast and who cares profit give me give me give me profit attitude -the attitude that is very close to evaporize western economy and society as we all can see now very clear- then can be succes or failure sorry there are no safety nets in markets,there is good product and patience and persistence and loyalty to certain values moral or technical they are both human,Leica used to know and play the human game well i hope will not be diverted from the roots that warranty its survival.Yes R10 will be the flagship of Leica soon if not .......i don"t know but they know and they will go for it. in my humble non scientific opinion if Leica had by now one FF Rdslr would be in much better position in the pro market as DSLR market counts milions of milions users and M system few tenths of thousands...but what do i know i'm just a photographer and all this time we left Nikon & Canon to fly further & further & securing their ground and more we delay the hardest will be to enter ,again milions of milions users one side tenths of thousands on the other,what is more potentially profitable for those who love to talk profit. Tip: profit is very elusive never comes to you when you are desperate after it. i welcome the new Leica RDsLR, better late than never. Markets are never saturated from good ideas on the contrary there is a vast ground for new concepts -honest transaction will be the new commodity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 27, 2009 Share #25 Posted October 27, 2009 yada... Nobody can predict what can happen when Leica presents RdSLR because it will be a new market... ...yada Yes, we can, because it will not be a new market. It will be a me-too product in an already saturated market. That is the whole point of the S2. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 27, 2009 Share #26 Posted October 27, 2009 Yes, we can, because it will not be a new market. It will be a me-too product in an already saturated market. That is the whole point of the S2. Me too what? there's no other company building manual focusing DSLRs on earth, and every one else building AF DSLRs does not offer non-AA filter equipped sensors. I hope Steve is right, if the S2 can't sell then their accountants may give them some pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted October 27, 2009 Share #27 Posted October 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is a lot of profit in the dslr market and nothing like the amazing PRO funcionality of the R8/R9 those two bodies are the most ergonomic & intuitive cameras i ever touch,and i have touch soooo many of them. Regarding S2 is a flagship camera and a learning platform ,Leica can sell as many as they like from hundreds to thousands to hundred thousands,is about pricing policy and policy in a wider spectrum can be an untouched king or the workhorse of many thousand photographers. My vote counts for two as i will buy minimum two,as many as R8's i use now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 27, 2009 Share #28 Posted October 27, 2009 ...there's no other company building manual focusing DSLRs on earth... ...there's a reason for that... Look, don't get me wrong, I have an R7 and a bunch of lenses, all of which get regular use. BUT I am a realist. Move on. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted October 27, 2009 Share #29 Posted October 27, 2009 ...there's a reason for that... Look, don't get me wrong, I have an R7 and a bunch of lenses, all of which get regular use. BUT I am a realist. Move on. Regards, Bill Bill - If people had just "moved on" as you say when the M was dead, there would be no M9 today... While I'm not holding my breath to see the R line reborn, I respect some R users desire to influence Leica to come up with the R10. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted October 28, 2009 Share #30 Posted October 28, 2009 I'am with Bill on this one, whils't leica continues to push their Super S2 -NO Leica DSLR-R will be forthcoming. If the S2 is deemed a failure, Leica will be extremely embarrassed, and thats not going to happen, they would be prepered to cook the order books to show it's succes and to avoid the R10 and we told you so. However a campany take-over or a new owners might be your best bet for the R10. But remember, every day a Leica R owner is switching over to another make and thats one more less that the present Leica Management have to worry about. As an M owner, I have no interest in Digital M's. I wonder what ERNST LEITZ would have done. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 28, 2009 Share #31 Posted October 28, 2009 Glad to see 161 people have already signed the petition. There is demand for the R10, FF please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted October 28, 2009 Share #32 Posted October 28, 2009 Bill - If people had just "moved on" as you say when the M was dead, there would be no M9 today... While I'm not holding my breath to see the R line reborn, I respect some R users desire to influence Leica to come up with the R10. Cheers, Word. I've signed the petition too, by the way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted October 28, 2009 Share #33 Posted October 28, 2009 Glad to see 161 people have already signed the petition. There is demand for the R10, FF please. S2 is a great concept and really good news but RDsLR FF is even better idea and will come anyway even if some people like it or not-canon & nikon doesn't like it for sure- people switch to AF as they were getting older for vision convinience and newcomers haven't tried MF cameras,after 23 years in AF world photographers are rediscovering the amazing productivity and freedom and speed and creativity of the MF cameras-now with af confirm- Zeiss is selling mf lenses by dozens,all the photographers i know they are buying Zeiss.leica R, Pentax Takumars,Olympus Zuiko ,try to buy one M42 lens anywhere is ten times more expensive than two years ago ,everybody young or old is seeking for smaller lenses with a character and MF,anyway the R10 will be AF ,but if it keeps the amazing focusing technology of R8/R9-pentaprism +screens WHO CARES for AF. (maybe sometime in car races?????,but MF can still give you more in focus shots) Markets needs new products and manual focus after 23 years of AF domination is a huge neoterism,with AF/AF CONFIRM alongside of course. Also the R8/R9 was a camera 20 years ahead of time ,try it is the best that hands can operate on,so well thought,so well designed,great platform for evolution,great package for assignmet a LEICA R with AF/AF CONFIRM and long lenses and architectural lenses and one M8/M9 with small lenses in one bag,just think of it. I have more out of focus photos with the AF cameras and none with my R8,s and my vision is not that sharp anymore but still more in focus shots with MF . not misunderstood the R10-or other name-will be AF for sure and thats good with an optical system equal to R8/9 for effective & easy & fast manual focus when is prefered -both functions in a perfect system.will not be as fast as top Canons but Canons are cheaper and all of us have more than one anyway,isn't it. If i only had one R10 i would sell all my Canons and never look back. Is not nostalgia is realism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 28, 2009 Share #34 Posted October 28, 2009 A petition for a Leica R10 : Petition for a Leica R10 Gautier, Ok for me : i signed Thanks for this initiative... Best regards Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 28, 2009 Share #35 Posted October 28, 2009 Glad to see 161 people have already signed the petition. There is demand for the R10, FF please. Hi Wilfredo, FF of course, the same sensor of M9 Champagne for all Luf friends if there is R10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted October 28, 2009 Share #36 Posted October 28, 2009 I Leica is a niche market and no way would they ever be able to compete in volume, specification and price compared with Canon, Nikon and others who are struggling for a market share.They can't even deliver M9s to satisfy current demand. I have to admit that is a serious issue that have to be adressed:rolleyes: not misunderstood the R10-or other name-will be AF for sure and thats good with an optical system equal to R8/9 for effective & easy & fast manual focus when is prefered -both functions in a perfect system.will not be as fast as top Canons but Canons are cheaper and all of us have more than one anyway,isn't it. If i only had one R10 i would sell all my Canons and never look back. Is not nostalgia is realism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallo Posted October 28, 2009 Share #37 Posted October 28, 2009 I think that a digital R camera now doesn't make sense, I mean, Leica is a company that cannot compete with other BIG brands in their "territory", and the dslr market is the own territory of Nikon and Canon. Now dslr are used in very fast situations, like sport and stuff like that, where you need an ultra-uber-super-fast autofocus -and canon and Nikon can do that work veeeeeery well-, and in studio works, and there is S2 for that; so an R10 is not needed. If you think about, it Leica produces his flagships in the part of market where it doesn't have competition, (the M9 is the only FF digital rangefinder in the market, the S2 is a new concept and the X1 is the only p&s with an apsc sensor) at least for what concerns the high priced pieces. I think that this is the right way to do. Maybe instead of a new digital R10 it will be a better idea to do a new FF digital modul for the R8 and R9; this can be a goal, think about it. My dream is to see a Leica with a Foveon sensor, combine the best lenses in the world with the best sensor in the world... that rocks. (M10 with FF Foveon? best digital camera ever!! ) my 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
germio Posted October 29, 2009 Share #38 Posted October 29, 2009 In 1976 Leitz brought the M line back to life after an earlier decision to sack the system to focus on reflex cameras. Funny how times changed. I think there's still a chance for the R system to be revived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieberdavid Posted October 29, 2009 Share #39 Posted October 29, 2009 Hi Everyone, Germio, you have a good point! Bill, in regard to whether or not Leica promised an R 10, I should like to refer you to a recent issue of LFI (the exact issue I cannot specify, because I am at the moment abroad). Look at the editorial where the writer is referring to Leica bringing out an R 10. I quote: "A promise is a promise." Cheers! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieberdavid Posted October 29, 2009 Share #40 Posted October 29, 2009 Hi Everyone, Bill, I do not agree that an R 10 will be a "me-too" product in a saturated market. With many many R users wanting to buy an R 10 and quite properly not wanting to compromise their SLR photography by using a camera body from some other manufacturer, there is a market out there and it is one that has no competition whatsoever. Cheers! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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