mmradman Posted October 25, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Some interesting statements a bit against the Leica grain; EVFs, AF. Promised new lenses for S2 in 2012. Discuss... Interesting interview with Stefan Daniel | Leica News & Rumors Leica is in the process of creating a special order department to handle custom and limited edition versions. In terms of announcing new products, Leica has “a strong focus on 2012“. On the size of the sensor in a potential Leica mirrorless camera: “Leica with an interchangeable lens should have at least an APS-sized sensor“. On the optical vs. digital viewfinder: “I think that the quality of the 1.4MP finders is already very good, and sometimes even more accurate than an optical finder, think of white balance or exposure. Over time, as technology is improving, optical finders will get less and less important. The X100 finder is a very nice concept and well executed”. On M rangefinder with video/CMOS sensor: “Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future”. On M rangefinder with AF: “we are totally aware that we could aim at a much larger clientele with AF and are currently studying solutions“. Next S lenses: “a 30mm and then a 30-90mm zoom as well as a super wide angle 24mm in 2012“. Read more on LeicaRumors.com: Interesting interview with Stefan Daniel | Leica News & Rumors Edited October 25, 2011 by mmradman Copied content from the rumours site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ronan Posted October 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 25, 2011 I'm glad Leica is thinking about the future. It's scary to see some users that are stuck in the past and can't see pass they nose (generalizing, not thinking of any one individual). Leica is doing the right thing. R&D, see what works, what doesn't, listen to their customers, and please them. Go Leica. Now if 2012 could come quicker... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonheim Posted October 25, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 25, 2011 I'm glad Leica is thinking about the future. It's scary to see some users that are stuck in the past and can't see pass they nose (generalizing, not thinking of any one individual). Leica is doing the right thing. R&D, see what works, what doesn't, listen to their customers, and please them. Go Leica. Now if 2012 could come quicker... I Ronan, I am one of those "stuck in the past" I would welcome many new features, too. However, what I do not understand is why it has to be an M. Would you be disappointed if it came in a "N"-system? The M-mount cannot provide autofocus in the lens anyway. Etc., etc. Personally I think Leica could satisfy everyone. Incremental improvements to the M. A new "N"-line for EVILs, and S for DSLR. That would work, wouldn't it? Cheers, Knut 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 25, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 25, 2011 So, confirmation that the M gets a CMOS sensor, which seems to mean a significant shift from the more traditional M9 to an electronic view finder, possibly video and ultimately auto focus. I will be sticking with my M9 (P upgrade) for a bit, then we will see. 2012 will indeed be an interesting year - no mention of the X2 or the EVIL (using M and/or R lenses) - I hope they're not shelved. Cheers John 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 25, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 25, 2011 I'm glad Leica is thinking about the future. It's scary to see some users that are stuck in the past and can't see pass they nose (generalizing, not thinking of any one individual). Leica is doing the right thing. R&D, see what works, what doesn't, listen to their customers, and please them. Go Leica. Now if 2012 could come quicker... the beauty of the M series is how it is everyone would like more pixels and ISO, even live view and video as a freebie changing the lens mount however would mean no more an M I am happy for Leica to go with a new interchageable lens format on a cheapr camera Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 25, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, confirmation that the M gets a CMOS sensor ... Hold up, John, and don't cast me as a Luddite but that's not actually what Stefan Daniel said. As the OP wrote, Stefan Daniel was quoted as saying: "Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future." Although you may feel that he implied such, he didn't actually say that the usability of an M cameras would be extended or that 'the technology of the future' would be used in an M camera. Perhaps the answer lies somewhere between what's written here and an accurate translation of what Stefan Daniel said. (For full disclosure I wouldn't have a problem with a CMOS sensor providing that it didn't compromise performance.) Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 25, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 25, 2011 To be fair to Megapixel it was an exclusive interview that they obtained. The rumour site has just linked to it. They haven't obtained any content, done any research or sleuthing or added anything. The Megapixel link was first linked on the Leica blog (and the link made available to us on this site) a couple of weeks ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted October 25, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 25, 2011 Cool. Now if they won't release an R10, could they at least provide a fully usable R-to-S adapter for the S2? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 25, 2011 Now if they won't release an R10, could they at least provide a fully usable R-to-S adapter for the S2? How would that work? Isn't the flange to sensor distance greater on the S2? Would the image circle on all R lenses cover the S2 sensor? How would the S2 shut down the aperture on R lenses - you mentioned fully usable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 25, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 25, 2011 Hold up, John, and don't cast me as a Luddite but that's not actually what Stefan Daniel said. As the OP wrote, Stefan Daniel was quoted as saying: "Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future." Although you may feel that he implied such, he didn't actually say that the usability of an M cameras would be extended or that 'the technology of the future' would be used in an M camera. Perhaps the answer lies somewhere between what's written here and an accurate translation of what Stefan Daniel said. (For full disclosure I wouldn't have a problem with a CMOS sensor providing that it didn't compromise performance.) Pete. Maybe you're right, Pete. In the context of a discussion about the future M, he says "it will be the technology of the future" - it's a fair implication. I recall Michael Hussman also making a similar statement some time ago (and I challenged him on it at that time). I've never had a CMOS sensor based camera, so the implications from an image quality perspective is not immediately apparent, save that it has the ability to give live view and other stuff without killing the battery. I won't be rushing to abandon my M9, as I said. I'm also a bit concerned that 2012 may see offerings which also reflect a switch in quality of materials - I'm planning on completing my collection of M lenses in case things change dramatically in a way I won't like. It also has to be acknowledged that it is only an implication - an Israeli interview of a native German speaker - it might not have been intended as I read it. There is also a consistent reference to APS-C at a minimum for the new mid range camera, and AF is still on the cards. I guess APS-C must also be CMOS? Cheers John 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 26, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 26, 2011 As the OP wrote, Stefan Daniel was quoted as saying: "Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future." Although you may feel that he implied such, he didn't actually say that the usability of an M cameras would be extended or that 'the technology of the future' would be used in an M camera. Given that this was his answer to “Do you see any demand from your M line users for video in their cameras and is there a chance we shall see a move from CCD to CMOS in the M10?” the implication is pretty clear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 26, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 26, 2011 How would that work? One would have to use a teleconverter to account for the differences in flange distance and image circle. Would it be worthwhile? I highly doubt it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 26, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 26, 2011 no mention of the X2 or the EVIL (using M and/or R lenses) - I hope they're not shelved. Has an X2 ever been referred to officially? (Of course it is just naturally to expect an X1 to be succeeded by an X2 eventually and Leica never said anything to contradict this.) But the EVIL system was mentioned in the interview: “a Leica with an interchangeable lens should have at least an APS-sized sensor”. The question (and Stefan Daniel’s answer) about electronic and hybrid viewfinders was also framed in the context of the mirrorless system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted October 26, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 26, 2011 The M mount can't provide autofocus in the lens? The Nikon F mount, which is only 5 years newer, was modified to provide autofocus in the lens while retaining amazing backward and forward compatibility. Not all lenses can be used on all cameras, such as the G series lenses don't work on manual cameras because the aperture ring is removed. There are lots of nuances. But I use some very old Nikon lenses on a D2x with the simple AI modification. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 26, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 26, 2011 Given that this was his answer to “Do you see any demand from your M line users for video in their cameras and is there a chance we shall see a move from CCD to CMOS in the M10?” the implication is pretty clear. Michael, I take your point but I tend to dismiss most of what Leica is reported as saying following previous mixed messages, for instance the non-appearance of the R10 and the (so far) fabled R solution. In my opinion it is all too easy to misinterpret what has been said especially if there is translation involved and one of the parties knows what it would like to hear said. Until Leica makes an official announcement it is not clear. Pete. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 26, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 26, 2011 Sounds like the CMOS based M10 will be the 'R solution'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted October 26, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 26, 2011 I think there was nothing new said in this interview, except that the Ala-carte program is expanding and new stores in North America and Asia. All the comments about future products has been said (in greater detail) in previous interviews. I think it's possible the comment on CMOS in the M series, is more to do with the problems at Kodak, than change in direction. It's always more interesting what wasn't said, than what was said.... But we will see in 2012... or 2013 when the products actually ship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted October 26, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 26, 2011 Michael, I take your point but I tend to dismiss most of what Leica is reported as saying following previous mixed messages, for instance the non-appearance of the R10 and the (so far) fabled R solution. In my opinion it is all too easy to misinterpret what has been said especially if there is translation involved and one of the parties knows what it would like to hear said. Until Leica makes an official announcement it is not clear. Pete. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 26, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 26, 2011 +2 All this scrying over a translation is a waste of energy. Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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