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As I have quite an extensive M-lens system and am not into long telephotos, the only two R lenses that really interest me for the M are the PC-Super-Angulon-R 28mm and the Vario-Elmarit-R 28-90mm Asph.

 

Does anyone know if there is information regarding whether the PC-Super-Angulon-R 28mm with adapter will be compatible with the new Leica M, and what is the quality of this lens like?

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Here you have a picture done with the 28 S-Ang 28/2.8 and the M9.

The shift was a diagonal one using the greatest displacement (11 mm) this lens allows.

I include a detail of the upper right corner.

This is really an extreme case...

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Manolo

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I've been reflecting on this, and wonder if there's the possibility of a SHIFT solution for the M along the lines of the Fotodiox converter. Lens Mount Adapters. Does any one have experience on micro 2/3? If it's possible, it makes feasible the use of a range of high quality lenses (R or other makers) for architecture. I know that the Super Angulon Shift is a very good lens - but this might make for a more affordable solution if you only have an occasional need for this kind of application.

 

Another potentially useful and undreamed of application for an M camera?

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I'm clearly still thinking about this - and an affordable options would seem to be the Hartbeli series:

HARTBLEI 35mm Super-Rotator Tilt Shift Lens | HARTBLEI. They come with an R mount - amongst others. A very positive review of the the lens on medium format is here: Hartblei Superrotator. Even more interesting a review of the lens in Canon mount:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/1557203 (on a crop sensor 1D Mk2)

 

Even more (?) interesting is this: http://araxfoto.com/accessories/hassel_adapter/ It allows you to convert HASSELBLAD lenses to an R mount and then use them as T/S lenses!

 

Intrigued if there is any experience of these + opinions re suitability for the M-240. It looks encouraging. I have a developing interest in architectural photography, and this could be fun. Live view could mean that it's a real world option with the M-240.

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Price ;) + the Super-Angulon is Shift only - I'm interested in a true T/S lens. Canon FD mount is another thought.

 

However - I've now just noticed this - which could make me think again!

http://www.peartreephotoshop.co.uk/product-p/sr40if.htm

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Chris,

 

I would have thought the Hartblei and Arax solutions would have the advantage that the lenses have a larger image circle and thus would allow greater latitude of tilt shift than a 35mm SLR lens would. I assume this is why you can get away with a 35mm lens on an MFT sensor with the FotoDiox adapters. I do wonder however if the somewhat restricted throat of the M chamber is an issue and you would get vignetting. I don't know what the light path of these T/S lenses is.

 

With all the pixels of the M-240, you can of course always do the T/S in PP with transform in PS ;-)

 

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Chris,

 

I have just been looking at the Hartblei website. Confusing - can you buy a 35mm/35mm T/S lens or not? Is the T/S lens the same as the Super-Rotator? Have a look at the price list and you will see what I mean. If you can, the price looks very attractive. At those sort of prices, you don't mind buying a lens for even occasional use. I had a similar philosophy when I bought the CV Super Wide Heliar 15mm a few months ago. When you buy a Leica lens, it better be one you use a lot!

 

Wilson

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Chris,

 

When you look at the price list, in red print at the top it says "Super-Rotator lenses are out of stock...(please, don't ask about availability - if item is available, it's mentioned in the price list)", then quotes a price lower down, that is why I was a bit confused. I will wait anyway until I have a M-240 actually in my hot sticky hands, before buying yet another lens. Unlike the more desirable R lenses, I don't think the price will move upwards.

 

Wilson

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There are of course 2 worlds in the world of shift lenses: long focal ones, and wide angles. Broadly speaking, the first is related to still life, table-top, products, and the second to cityscape and architecture.

It's possible to use a medium focal length with 24x36, make several exposures, each one shifted in regard to the rest of them, and in PP stitch them together to fake a bigger sensor. This is, of course, easier to say than to make :-) : a steady tripod and good working routines are essential.

I've found that another good solution (perhaps it's even better, because it is quicker) is making several shoots covering a realtively small field (let's say 90 degrees) with the camera on a pano rig (the best one is IMO the pt4pano).

The main Hartblei solutions seem to be more related with medium and long focal length lenses, because the 17mm and 24mm are made by Canon. Hartblei makes for them collars that make it very easy to stitch by sliding the camera, and not the lens.

Below you will find pictures of the part that a small workshop made to measure for the 28mm Leica R Shift, following my instructions. With it and that lens it's possible to arrive to 90 degrees in horizontal (equiv to a 18mm), but with many more pixels, because more than one frame is taken.

I had made this part here in Spain (price: 170 euros) because Hartblei told me that they could not do it for less than a ridicolous amount of money...

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Manolo

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Manolo,

 

Other than reversing the direction of the movement/perspective change of the image, does it actually make any difference holding the lens and moving the camera, to holding the camera and moving the lens?

 

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Manolo,

 

Other than reversing the direction of the movement/perspective change of the image, does it actually make any difference holding the lens and moving the camera, to holding the camera and moving the lens?

 

Wilson

 

Parallax is the problem with moving the lens and not the imaging device. It's particularly noticeable with wide angle shots (which stitched images tend to be) when there are close foreground objects in the scene. The displaced foreground objects appear as multiple images in the stitch.

 

Bob.

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