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I have a 1948 Summitar. Would its performance be enhanced by one of those barn door hoods - the SOOPD or SOOFM?

 

It is an awkward looking contraption, but I wonder why the Leica guys designed and manufactured such a thing if they did not have reason to think that it would be useful. Why go to that trouble?

 

At the moment I am using the knockoff Summitar adapter ring and vented hood from Heavystar.

 

many thanks for sharing any experiences or information you may have

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I have a 1948 Summitar. Would its performance be enhanced by one of those barn door hoods - the SOOPD or SOOFM?

 

It is an awkward looking contraption, but I wonder why the Leica guys designed and manufactured such a thing if they did not have reason to think that it would be useful. Why go to that trouble?

 

Because the design worked; no filter issues, and it folded flat so that you can put it in a pocket.

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Because the design worked; no filter issues, and it folded flat so that you can put it in a pocket.

 

It would have to be a rather large pocket and a very strong piece of clothing, to accept a Leica body with a Summitar and the folded hood ;)……

 

Actually, original Summitar filters had no front thread and fit almost flush with the lens front rim. The folding hood was, at the time an excellent solution - considering that it shielded the lens just about perfectly and that the pre-war Summitar’s had no factory coating. One really needed perfect shielding from stray rays.

 

Dan is using the aftermarket adapter for 39mm filters with the vented aftermarket hood, that is an excellent solution as well, given the rather compact size of that outfit. Heavystar's items are of excellent quality, I believe he is a Leica user himself.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

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It would have to be a rather large pocket and a very strong piece of clothing, to accept a Leica body with a Summitar and the folded hood ;)……

 

Aw, ya big silly.:) I meant the hood carried separately. Regarding big, strong pockets, consider the period in which the hood was made. Clothes were more robust then. I know there are people who remember the coinage of the period, like British penny's as big as a poker chip, but lots heaver, and thrrupence which looked like some kind of circular saw blade. Sewing repairs on pockets were almost routine... or you did not carry pennies.

 

Actually, original Summitar filters had no front thread

 

Didn't know that. Mine has threads. And it is coated. Just post-WWII. Round aperture.

 

Dan is using the aftermarket adapter for 39mm filters [...]

 

Then his lens has filter threads, n'est pas?

 

Leaving for the day... take care.

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"Actually, original Summitar filters had no front thread"

 

Didn't know that. Mine has threads. And it is coated. Just post-WWII. Round aperture.

 

Then his lens has filter threads, n'est pas?

 

Leaving for the day... take care.

 

Pico, please read my post again - I did not say that Summitar lenses did not have threads - rather that filters for the Summitar were not threaded.

 

Summitar filters of course are threaded on the lens side - otherwise one would not be able to screw them onto a lens..... What I meant was that they do not have a female thread at the front thus, screw-in accessories could not be used, only the clip-on variety like the Summitar hood.

 

The adapter that Dan has is the same as the one made by Leitz many years ago (SNHOO) - it has a male thread to fit into a Summitar and a female thread to accept standard 39mm accessories.

 

As to your post-WWII filter being coated - Leitz filters did not have antireflection coatings.... I guess that you are again referring to your coated Summitar lens and not the filter...

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

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Its the Summitar-to-39mm adapter that you need from Ebay trader Heavystar, and as Jan has said you can then put whatever filter or hood you like on it. Forget the barn doors or specific Summitar filters.

 

Steve

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I too have been looking for a threaded Summitar to e39 adapter as well. The original Leica ones, whose code I now forget (I can never remember if it is SNHOO or SOOQR) are VERY expensive. Don Goldberg was supposed to be making me one but I gave up chasing him. There were some on eBay (maybe not by Heavystar, whose stuff I have bought and it was OK), on which the tapered thread was too long and crunched into the front element - ouch! Has anyone tried one of the Heavystar ones? The upside is that it means you can use a normal e39 hood instead of the barn door one.

 

My father used to have a very neat little hood for his 50mm Summar, which I think is the same at the front as the Summitar, that slipped over the outside of the lens and had a small knurled knob at the side, which tightened a pinch pad onto the outer lens ring.

 

My Summitar is a very late one, 1953 with the hex diaphragm. As you can see it has a groove on the front ring. I think this enables another Leica hood to fit (?the 35mm Summarit one), which clips into this groove. Anyone know?

 

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Wilson,

 

Your 'grooved' late Summitar will accept the E-39 clip-on shades like the 12585 or IROOA - the lens' outside diameter is the same as the 50mm Summicron (A-42). As far as fitting E-39 filters to a Summitar is concerned, the only solution is the SNHOO or its Heavystar eBay equivalent.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

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By the time the Heavystar adapter is mounted you hardly need a lens hood anyway if you paint the inside matt black (a good idea whatever). I then use an Elmar M lens hood on it.

 

Steve

 

The idea was, I thought, to allow 39mm filters, so one should use a lens hood. And why pay Leica prices for a hood when adequate hoods can be had new for $7 USD? (not Heavystar's as pictured)

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The idea was, I thought, to allow 39mm filters, so one should use a lens hood. And why pay Leica prices for a hood when adequate hoods can be had new for $7 USD? (not Heavystar's as pictured)

 

Yes :rolleyes: , I just said what hood I used. I know the Elmar hood being small and discreet wouldn't satisfy some peoples need for peacock like display, but you nor anybody else has to copy me.

 

Steve

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Yes :rolleyes: , I just said what hood I used. I know the Elmar hood being small and discreet wouldn't satisfy some peoples need for peacock like display, but you nor anybody else has to copy me.

 

Steve

 

Steve,

 

I just wondered if the small Elmar hood might vignette a bit at full aperture, especially as you are mounting it a bit further forward on the adapter.

 

Wilson

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Wide open about half a stop in the very corners with the Elmar hood Wilson. I use that hood on sunny days because I like the compactness of the lens without a hood if possible, and on sunny days with the lens stopped down you wouldn't see any vignetting. The depth of the adapter really does make it like a mini lens hood, which is why I suggest making the most of it and painting over the reflective silver baffles/grooves on the inside with matt black paint. Thinking about it, didn't the SNHOO adapter have a black inner finish? You do get significant vignetting if you use the adapter with an m39 filter and a screw on hood (any hood). So whichever solution is chosen it isn't perfect all the time.

 

Steve

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But - if you want to try out a more "artistic" vintage look, take your summitar on a sunny day without any hood and some of your black and white photos will look like those in an early album of your grand-parents. This perhaps will be an ultimative kick of making photos with an old summitar - unpredictable results if you dont take a digital back with controlling-possibilities. Sometimes I want to have some charming summitar-flare in my photos with my uncoated summitar of 1939 - and leave the barn-door and any other hood at home... :)

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But - if you want to try out a more "artistic" vintage look, take your summitar on a sunny day without any hood and some of your black and white photos will look like those in an early album of your grand-parents.

 

Ah, you clearly are unaware of Pico's Plugins which include auto-flare, back light simulation, bad-bokeh, random stains, camera shake. Digital wins again. It is all part of a package called "Photographer in a Box" - the complete works to film-like superiority.

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