28 and 35 Cron ASPH tighter compatible hoods?

[menos I M6]

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I use the 28 and 35 Cron ASPH regularly on a EPSON R-D1 (1.53 crop).

 

I do use the 35 Cron hood all the time (it is fairly compact and the 35 really needs all light protection there is).

I seldom use the 28 Cron hood, as it is huge as a refrigerator and the lens is much less problematic with flare.

 

I have read, one can fit other Leica lens hoods, which are compatible.

Is this lens hood for the 35 Lux fully compatible with my 28 Cron ASPH:

 

Leica Lens Hood for M35mm f/1.4 Aspherical - Lens Hoods and Lens Caps

 

Would this hod fit perfectly on the 28mm with the locks gripping the lens correctly preventing it from slipping or twisting?

 

 

Are there any alternative hoods for the 35 Cron as well (next to the DIY cap cutting)?

[rsh]

The 35 Summilux hood works well on the 28. the only other hoods for the 35 Summicron are the older metal hoods which can be found on e bay.

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[wakewood]

I use the 12585 on my 35 asph when attached to the M8. No vignetting there. Downside is that you cannot reverse the hood and close it with the 12585 cap as the focusing tab gets into the way.

 

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[wakewood]

@ menos m6: if you ask a question and you get answers the least thing you should do is to say 'thanks'.

[menos I M6]

The 35 Summilux hood works well on the 28. the only other hoods for the 35 Summicron are the older metal hoods which can be found on e bay.

 

Richard, thanks for the clarification - I am still between getting a used 35 Lux (including hood) and getting the seperate hood ;-)

 

Is the 35 Lux ASPH more flare resistant as the Cron?

 

 

I use the 12585 on my 35 asph when attached to the M8. No vignetting there. Downside is that you cannot reverse the hood and close it with the 12585 cap as the focusing tab gets into the way.

 

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Martin, this doesn't look like the solution to me then, as I prefer to just cap the lens and throw it in the bag without fiddling.

I have seen similar screw in aluminum hoods made in China though.

I have my eyes open for one of those for E39.

 

 

@ menos m6: if you ask a question and you get answers the least thing you should do is to say 'thanks'.

 

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[rsh]

If you are happy with the Summicron, stay with it.

[menos I M6]

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If you are happy with the Summicron, stay with it.

 

Love the 28 - I just look for a improved option for the hood for shooting in the rain and on a crop body.

 

The 35 is a mixed bag and I hope to be able to improve the flare sensitivity a bit with a tighter hood.

I really like the 35 as a lens - it is tiny and light, it is sharp and shows no problematic distortion.

 

It just flares a lot unfortunately.

If I find another 35mm with the qualities of the 35 Cron and improved flare resistance, I might as well swap it (a 35 Lux sounds as a nice trade up in speed for a bit more distortion and weight).

[glenerrolrd]

I use a contax cg-1 metal hood on the 28 cron and no cap. With the M8 uv/ir filter ....I am carrying this over to the M9 by using a 46mm UV filter....no caps . Then my std procedure when changing a lens is to give the filter a quick dusting with a cleaning cloth. This assures that the lens is clean everytime and is protected from cleaning marks.

 

In the bag I use a small protective pouch ....drink coolers are cheap and work well.

 

heavystars (an ebay seller) has cheaper metal hoods in 46mm and 55mm screw threads in wide form. They work similar to the Cg-1 and 2.

 

The best argument for the Leica hoods is that they are not threaded. This allows them to break on impact without damaging the lens. A threaded hood can damage the lens if dropped.

[gravastar]

Love the 28 - I just look for a improved option for the hood for shooting in the rain and on a crop body.

 

The 35 is a mixed bag and I hope to be able to improve the flare sensitivity a bit with a tighter hood...........................................

 

On a crop body, M8 or RD-1, the 35mm Summilux hood 1259 works well with the 28mm ASPH Summicron.

 

If the 35mm Summicron is the ASPH version then the lens hood 12575 or 12575N (silver mount ring) originally intended for the thin 90mm Tele Elmarit gives good flare protection on crop bodies. The only downside is the long hood intrudes somewhat into the viewfinder field of view. I don't know if the hood vignettes with the earlier non ASPH 35mm Summicrons. It depends on where the lens entrance pupil is situated and that may be different between the non ASPH and ASPH versions.

 

Bob.

[menos I M6]

I use a contax cg-1 metal hood on the 28 cron and no cap. With the M8 uv/ir filter ....I am carrying this over to the M9 by using a 46mm UV filter....no caps . Then my std procedure when changing a lens is to give the filter a quick dusting with a cleaning cloth. This assures that the lens is clean everytime and is protected from cleaning marks.

 

In the bag I use a small protective pouch ....drink coolers are cheap and work well.

 

heavystars (an ebay seller) has cheaper metal hoods in 46mm and 55mm screw threads in wide form. They work similar to the Cg-1 and 2.

 

The best argument for the Leica hoods is that they are not threaded. This allows them to break on impact without damaging the lens. A threaded hood can damage the lens if dropped.

 

Roger, here in Shanghai, Contax items are well available. I head out, to find a hood (are they available in black).

What would be the usual going rate for these?

[menos I M6]

On a crop body, M8 or RD-1, the 35mm Summilux hood 1259 works well with the 28mm ASPH Summicron.

 

If the 35mm Summicron is the ASPH version then the lens hood 12575 or 12575N (silver mount ring) originally intended for the thin 90mm Tele Elmarit gives good flare protection on crop bodies. The only downside is the long hood intrudes somewhat into the viewfinder field of view. I don't know if the hood vignettes with the earlier non ASPH 35mm Summicrons. It depends on where the lens entrance pupil is situated and that may be different between the non ASPH and ASPH versions.

 

Bob.

 

Bob, this hood looks as a nice fitting solution - the ring with the prongs looks similar to the one from the 35 Cron. Does it fit the same, as with the locking nudge?

 

I have seen only small images on ebay on my search. Does a standard Leica lens cap fit on this 12575 hood (46mm)?

[glenerrolrd]

Roger, here in Shanghai, Contax items are well available. I head out, to find a hood (are they available in black).

What would be the usual going rate for these?

 

Its harder to find the hood in black. Most originals are a titanium color. The originals in black were around $35 and copies in silver were less than $10. I found no copies in black. I did get some black textured gaffer tape from Photo Village in NYC and cut strips to make the hood look like the Nikon metal hoods with black textured finish. This looks reasonably finished and has a very small form ..which I like for street photography . Also if you leave the hood on always ..it will get dinged and the tape helps.

[lct]

...If the 35mm Summicron is the ASPH version then the lens hood 12575 or 12575N (silver mount ring) originally intended for the thin 90mm Tele Elmarit gives good flare protection on crop bodies....

The 12575 hood was made for 90mm and 135mm lenses. It is longer than the 35/2 lens itself and will cause some vignetting i'm afraid. At least it does on my 1.5x crop R-D1.

[lct]

BTW the 12575 hood was not intended for the 'thin' Tele-Elmarit if memory serves. It already existed before the latter. Mine came with the 12517 screw-in rubber hood. Here with both 12575 (left) and 12517 (right) hoods, the latter being screwed onto a filter.

 

[lct]

...The best argument for the Leica hoods is that they are not threaded. This allows them to break on impact without damaging the lens. A threaded hood can damage the lens if dropped.

Agree. I only use plastic 12524 (35/2 IV) and 12589 (35/1.4 asph & 28/2) hoods with my Epsons for this very reason and because they both offer a fairly good protection against flare & rain and they don't intrude much into the viewfinder. A no brainer for me. YMMV.

[gravastar]

The 12575 hood was made for 90mm and 135mm lenses. It is longer than the 35/2 lens itself and will cause some vignetting i'm afraid. At least it does on my 1.5x crop R-D1.

 

You made me go back and check this on the M8 .

 

The 35mm Summicron I'm talking about using the 12575 hood on is the latest ASPH version. With the lens focused at infinity (widest field of view) at f2 or f16 there is no trace of additional vignetting with the 12575 hood mounted. In fact to get vignetting I have to stack two filters on the lens and clip the hood on the front filter.

 

Are you sure it's not the pre ASPH 35mm Summicron you get vignetting with the hood and R-D1? The reason I ask is because I wanted to use the 12575 hood on the M8 and 35mm pre ASPH Summilux - the one that's got a reputation for bad flare. I found the hood caused severe vignetting with that lens. Since it has a similar field of view to the ASPH Summicron my conclusion was the entrance pupil for the Summilux must be further back into the hood than that of the ASPH Summicron. A similar argument is probably true for the 35mm pre ASPH Summicron.

 

Bob, this hood looks as a nice fitting solution - the ring with the prongs looks similar to the one from the 35 Cron. Does it fit the same, as with the locking nudge?

 

I have seen only small images on ebay on my search. Does a standard Leica lens cap fit on this 12575 hood (46mm)?

Yes, the hood fits in a similar manner to that of the 35mm Summicron. There are 4 claws that are withdrawn when you squeeze the two tabs on the side of the hood. After you mount the hood and release the tabs the claws engage in a slot arount the front of the lens barrel. A disadvantage of the hood I didn't mention is it won't reverse over the lens due to the focus tab and the hood being longer than the lens barrel. I'm not sure what you can use as a cover for the front of the hood. In it's intended use it reverses over the front of the 90mm Tele-Elmarit and there is a slotted cap which fits over the "front" of the reversed hood. A cover for the hood probably isn't too important since the front element of the lens is so far back into the hood.

 

Bob.

[lct]

...Are you sure it's not the pre ASPH 35mm Summicron you get vignetting with the hood and R-D1?..

Last time i checked was with the 35/2 IV on the R-D1 at f/2. Hard to imagine it may be different with the 35/2 asph but i did not do the test myself.

[menos I M6]

Thanks again for the great info!

Interestingly, I just downloaded Erwin Puts' pocket Leica compendium.

 

It has an overview on recent lenses, in production and states the following for the 35 Cron ASPH:

 

"entrance pupil position: 10 mm (related to the first lens surface in light direction)"

 

If one can find out the same data on the older 35 Cron designs, you know for sure.

The newest ASPH is a different lens design from the type IV lens, although they have a similar visual appearance.

 

Too bad, it flares significantly too ;-(

Other than that, I love the lens!

[lct]

I don't know but remember Menos you have an R-D1 not an M8. The microlenses of the Epson are older that those of the Leica so they might well play a role in the actual fall off rendition. FWIW.

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[luigi bertolotti]

I have just made a test with 35 Cron Asph on M8, with UVIR filter on and 12575 hood : well, it does NOT vignette at all, even at f2 ! Funny... I never thought to use it on a 35... you have always something to learn on the forum (btw, I use 12575 on the 135 Tele Elmar... one of the lenses "quoted" in the engravings onto its collar) : about the cap, I have a cheap "universal" 46mm plastic cap that fits well on it.