blovitch Posted November 24, 2006 Share #41 Posted November 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 30% lens discount is definite, I just spoke to my dealer who is also attempting to establish wether there is a service for expediting the return of cameras to working photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 24, 2006 Posted November 24, 2006 Hi blovitch, Take a look here Announcement Published on Leica Website . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
M'Ate Posted November 24, 2006 Share #42 Posted November 24, 2006 I take it that I won't need my UV filters for my 4 Leica lenses with the M8 ? So, Leica give me two IR filters, I buy 2 IR filters and then I sell 4 UV filters on ePay and the net cost approaches $zero ? Then I need coding for my 24mm, but not for my 35/50/90mm's ? So grand total is about $100. Can live with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted November 24, 2006 Share #43 Posted November 24, 2006 I can live with all of it, but I wish they would replace my camera rather than fix it -- I do expect it to be gone for a month, if it has to be shipped to Solms. (It can take five days for first-class mail to be delivered from Minneapolis to Los Angeles, much less to Solms.) I understand why they wouldn't, though -- all those repaired cameras would then have to be sold as "refurbished," which would probably eliminate much of the on-going profit... I do wish we'd gotten the word on the filters earlier, so I could have gotten in line somewhere. I'm going to need eight of them, unless the 30% lens reduction offer comes through; then I'll need nine. One of the reasons this whole thing has been handled badly, I think, is that Leica is essentially a small company with great abilities in mechanics and optics, but not so much in either marketing or electronics. I suspect the size of this launch troubled them, and may have been somewhat beyond their abilities. For example, as far as I know, they are still not coding lenses in the U.S., although coding is now more-or-less mandatory. Having the lenses coded while the camera is off for repairs would be the best solution for me -- but there hasn't even been a hint of when this service might be available in the U.S. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted November 24, 2006 Share #44 Posted November 24, 2006 I am more concerned with the way Leica is handling professionals who need the camera for work, there really should be a hot swap program- this is very common in mission critical businesses. Leica needs to institute this as a basic courtesy to the customers who work with these cameras. I sorry but I have a problem with being treated differently as I am not a "working pro" As far as I know I paid the same for my camera as "working pro" and I expect to be treated the same. To do otherwise will definately increase the chances of a C A. No offense to "working pros" but I do not accept being treated any different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted November 24, 2006 Share #45 Posted November 24, 2006 I agree with your statement, I was just qualifying the need for a hot swap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samir Jahjah Posted November 24, 2006 Share #46 Posted November 24, 2006 I am puzzled regarding the coding to overcome the IR filter cyan cast: suppose you have a 24mm coded: how does the camera know whether you use or filter or not? So the IR filters are kind of compulsory... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted November 24, 2006 Share #47 Posted November 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I take it that I won't need my UV filters for my 4 Leica lenses with the M8 ? So' date=' Leica give me two IR filters, I buy 2 IR filters and then I sell 4 UV filters on ePay and the net cost approaches $zero ? Then I need coding for my 24mm, but not for my 35/50/90mm's ? So grand total is about $100. Can live with that. [/quote'] Couldn't agree more - all I have to do is to wait for mine to come through. I'd hoped for beginning December, but it now feels more like the New Year. Heigh ho - the French say "l'appétit fait la meilleur sauce". I guess I'm hungry. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted November 24, 2006 Share #48 Posted November 24, 2006 I agree with your statement, I was just qualifying the need for a hot swap. I agree with you.... The more I read here the more I agree with the sentiment that a full replacement is more the right thing to do, a hot swap would be a second alternative - they should just replace the camera in the field - simple as that. As a previous poster has pointed-out - we are being singled-out for being early adopters we rightfully had a full expectation that out of the box we had a long term working camera. I also agree with the sentiment that the replacement should apply to all pre November 27 purchasers of the M8 - no exceptions - I was not asked if I was a pro or amateur - just for my credit card... so how you use the M8 should not be factor. I like the camera that much that I don't want to be without it - for what will likely be a month. Thank you for reading...now we shall be quiet and wait and see how LEICA treats us in the end.... They have a good deal to loose in the process. Kind Regards. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted November 24, 2006 Share #49 Posted November 24, 2006 No idea at all what you are talking about. Help me out, someone. Mark I think they are talking about a class action, which is one of the more blunt-instrument manifestations of the 'compensation culture' which has taken over in the USA (and, unfortunately, is increasingly common in UK) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted November 24, 2006 Share #50 Posted November 24, 2006 I read the Leica PR. It says to register on their website, but nowhere is there a link to register. Any thoughts? It says from december 6th... today it's november 24th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjun Posted November 24, 2006 Share #51 Posted November 24, 2006 so, let me get this straight. even with this 'upgraded' M8, there's still problem with IR contamination so we do need IR filter for every lens we use? *sigh* why solm just go ahead and put IR filter inside the camera? wouldn't it be better than just offering these 'giving away free stuff' ? will it make the image that much softer? is that what they're afraid of? I was very close to purchase M8, but I just don't get this fiasco over IR issue and leica's rather 'un-leica' like solution to the problem with their very very expensive camera. now I have to find IR filter for all the wonderful exotic lenses in the past with weird filter sizes right? *sigh* should I wait for M9? (or whatever their next digital M is) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted November 24, 2006 Share #52 Posted November 24, 2006 Maybe you should read some of the several threads on the subject. This way, your first post would not be questions already answered many times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 24, 2006 Share #53 Posted November 24, 2006 ok - i'm not even gonna bother with the flameproof suit, cuz you guys are gonna be using WMDs, but here goes whatever... Am i to understand that all the 'early-adopters' (that is, guys who were ahead in the queue) and who've been gloating and boasting about how they have the camera and how GREAT it actually is, and encouraging everyone to jump right in because they wouldn't regret it, and calling anyone who urged caution or a wait-and-see approach whiners - these guys are now hopping mad because Leica are not gonna give them a brand new camera - like straight away NOW ? And the pros wanna be ahead of the ordinary joes, of course. Did i get that about right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 24, 2006 Share #54 Posted November 24, 2006 well look at it this way if thicker glass on the sensor tends to soften the image which is the prime contention with using filters (among slightly more bizare theories here) and you would have seen Guy's images with the filters better the devil you know Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetccox Posted November 24, 2006 Share #55 Posted November 24, 2006 Burn away! You apparently don't have an M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjun Posted November 24, 2006 Share #56 Posted November 24, 2006 Maybe you should read some of the several threads on the subject. This way, your first post would not be questions already answered many times. mr. pascal meheut, yes I did, I was just complaining some of the issues that I didn't like in the form of question. I wasn't really expecting any 'yes/no' answers.. if it looked that way, sorry about it. Jin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted November 24, 2006 Share #57 Posted November 24, 2006 I really wish for once a company could dispense with the PR BS and tell it like it is. Statements like - "Nevertheless, in some fairly rare situations, some annoying effects may occasionally occur. Even though these artifacts neither happen often nor to everyone we want to eliminate the effects by providing the following solution." -drive me nuts Maybe I am unluck but there nothing "fairly rare" about my purple casts. They happen consistently to blacks in 90 + percent of my indoor tungsten lit shots. Not what I would call "fairly rare" I also would not describe it as 'slight magenta offset" it's bloody purple! The announcement is (in my view) vague and incomplete. I agree with many posters that our defective cameras should be replaced. Come on LEICA your customers should not be inconvenienced and out of pocket because your product is not satisfactory! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 24, 2006 Share #58 Posted November 24, 2006 When registering for the update, I'd also like to see Leica polling the users not only for the filters they want free (67 and 60 for me please) but also what sizes they might eventually buy so that we don't end up with a glut of 43s and 39s being as rare as hens teeth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 24, 2006 Share #59 Posted November 24, 2006 Burn away! You apparently don't have an M8. in my imagination Chet you be talking about me no i dont own an M8, doesnt mean i dont want one, i just dont need a rangefinder in my life for the work i do but it also means while im compasionate for M8 owners, im coldly unemotional about the use of filters for the results we have seen, because i see the results as more important than the inconvenience and the additional unexpected expence, probably averaging 10% of purchase i grant you the downtime is more than a pain, and very difficult if the M8 is your only camera and you have to work. but in my experience working photographers have a backup camera the rest of it is pretty childish hoo ha Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpStart Posted November 24, 2006 Share #60 Posted November 24, 2006 "Even though these artifacts neither happen often nor to everyone we want to eliminate the effects by providing the following solution. " This statement is 100% BS. I have yet to either take a picture or see a picture that does not have a problem with the IR, and a color cast. It still suggests these guys have not come to the reality they knowingly sold product they knew was defective. As I posted on a thread the other day, I'm really impressed with the sharpness and the depth of the images I have made. But..... I'm not willing to pay $8K for a camera and a lens combination that is for a product that will at best be a compromised camera. While I thank my dealer for the loan, It will go back today and I will cancel my order. The 8K will be better spent purchasing a few primes for my D2X, which I hope will give a little more sharpness and depth over my pro zooms. I do think the solution is the only choice for current owners, but you might be crazy to purchase a new one. And, I still can't figure out what the blanks are in an earlier post. DBK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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