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Elliott J

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Hi,

 

Just curious if anyone has experienced the strange green stripe that the M8 makes if there is a light at the edge of the sensor with their M9. I had forgotten about this until I shot a portrait this afternoon with my M8 and the fun green stripe was there - caused by a light at the edge of the frame.

 

Don't remember anyone commenting on this - hope it has been fixed???

 

Thanks!

 

ej

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Eliott:

 

While even on the M8/M8.2 I only saw the green stripe a handful of times, I believe this is no longer an issue with the M9 as I've tried my hardest to reproduce it while working under the most extreme lighting conditions that no doubt would have made it happen in the previous model.

 

Cheers,

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It happens only in the conditions you quote (strong light at an edge) and not always... an issue, I think, will never be fixed owing to its rare showing : for test, I verified that very small movements can make it appear and disappear... probably it has to do with some specific "blinded" pixel in the M8 sensor map.

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Hi,

 

Just curious if anyone has experienced the strange green stripe that the M8 makes if there is a light at the edge of the sensor with their M9. I had forgotten about this until I shot a portrait this afternoon with my M8 and the fun green stripe was there - caused by a light at the edge of the frame.

 

Don't remember anyone commenting on this - hope it has been fixed???

 

Thanks!

 

ej

 

Hi Elliott

I think that it is still theoretically possible. But I've not managed to recreate it (and I've tried). In some 6000 shots I've not seen it once.

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Just as a side comment, I managed to produce five or six green stripes in a single hour's shooting with my M8, without using an artificial setup. I was in a slot canyon (Antelope Canyon, in fact) where all the light came from a narrow strip in the sky. Shooting up with a 21mm lens, I could be sure of having bright light at the edges of the frame. Later I tried to recreate the effect by taking pictures of a long flourescent lightbulb. Not only was that pretty boring, there were no green stripes. But from the evidence that none of the testers so far is seeing it, and they know where to look, I think that Kodak killed that bug.

 

scott

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Elliott--I agree with Scott:

 

Since:

1) Leica was aware of the green stripe early, understood it and said it couldn't be corrected on the M8; and

2) the M9 uses a different sensor;

I am sure it was a major concern in the sensor design and seriously doubt that it will appear on the M9.

 

I'm glad you asked and await its first discovery. ;)

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Elliott--

I just checked the M9 FAQ, and there's no green stripe warning. :)

 

I'm sure it's one of the first things Leica had Kodak fix with the new sensor, but who am I? ;)

 

Why don't you raise the question with Leica Technical if you're in North America, or Leica Customer Service if you're elsewhere?

 

And then post the response here: We'd all like a guaranteed response so we can sue if it happens. :p

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  • 8 months later...

Hmm- those artifacts were indeed reported some time ago. I don't recall any since the new firmware. Maybe it had to do with the SD writing problems we had initially.

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Hmm- those artifacts were indeed reported some time ago. I don't recall any since the new firmware. Maybe it had to do with the SD writing problems we had initially.

 

Latest firmware. Nothing to do with the SD card - just a classic Leica green band extending from where the sun is in the frame. It's not a big deal but it is clearly a problem that hasn't entirely gone away. No doubt you'll next suggest user error, low battery charge or some other personal voodoo.:rolleyes:

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Latest firmware. Nothing to do with the SD card - just a classic Leica green band extending from where the sun is in the frame. It's not a big deal but it is clearly a problem that hasn't entirely gone away. No doubt you'll next suggest user error, low battery charge or some other personal voodoo.:rolleyes:

 

Well, Jaap won't do this, but I will Ian :)

 

Have you talked with Leica about this // sent them the shot? I haven't been able to reproduce anything like that with the M9. In other words, I don't think it's classic at all for the M9... and I hope that problem is dead and gone.

 

Also, can you do this at will with your M9 (the way we could with the M8)? I'd honestly be pretty surprised if you can, and if you can, I don't think you can rule out the write bugs the camera has with certain classes of SD cards right now.

 

Having said all that, I only saw this on my M8 a handful of times over 3 years, but it depends on how you're shooting. With the M9, I've been shooting with the sun in the frame, on the frame, in flare-inducing conditions (one of the joys of shooting Leica glass) and no green stripe...

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Never seen or heard of the green stripe we know from M8 coming into M9. The image above isn't the same thing it looks like a write problem with bleed. It just happens to be greenish.

 

Well now you've heard about it - and can see it. Here's the sequence of shots showing where the sun is in the frame. It's got nothing to do with card writing. The first in the sequence also features a slightly less obvious green stripe.

 

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Have you talked with Leica about this // sent them the shot? I haven't been able to reproduce anything like that with the M9. In other words, I don't think it's classic at all for the M9... and I hope that problem is dead and gone.

 

I haven't talked to Leica about it and won't unless the phenomenon occurs again. It happened very rarely when I used the M8 and I'd be surprised if I see the problem again soon.

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It is indeed different from an SD fault - it is a sensor phenomen. What I cannot understand - the green stripe shows itself when the highlight is on the edge of the frame, not inside the frame like in these examples. There is of course a massive overload, which suggests the anti-blooming gates (which are effective up to a factor 1000 iirc) simply being unable to cope. Looking straight into the sun can burn out your retina as well, so why shouldn't a sensor be affected? To be convinced this is the same thing as the M8 we we need to see a shot with a stage light on the edge or similar - that is where the M8 showed the green stripe.

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