gDallasK Posted September 22, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't know whether anyone else is finding this problem but when I try to delete multiple files, the card activity light starts to flash .... and never stops. The menu screen continues to be displayed and the shutter can be released whilst this is happening (though nothing is recorded) but the camera cannot be turned off with the power switch. It is necessary to remove the battery to stop it. I'm using 16 gbyte Sandisk Extreme III cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted September 22, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 22, 2009 This and others will surface until Leica sorts out the firmware. Just don't delete images from the card in the camera. If you start to fill the card switch it out for a empty one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted September 22, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 22, 2009 A safety rule : never delete pictures in the camera, whatever firmware. You delete pictures on your computer after download, and you do format the cards only in the camera. Safer procedure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted September 22, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 22, 2009 I agree with the others -- never delete on the street, always download (with a reader) to your computer and reformat in the camera. You'll save a lot of trouble, BUT, you may have a bug, and should document it carefully, so that Leica (who read this forum pretty carefully) can see if it is just your camera or a more general problem. 1) Can you make it happen again? 2) if so, please list each button you pressed in the order pressed... scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gDallasK Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted September 22, 2009 Thanks for all the helpful advice. I don't normally delete any images from the card - in camera or on the computer. However I have been getting a little tired of the length of time the M9 takes to reformat a card. It seems like it is ten times slower than my M8 with the same card. So, I had a couple of images on the card, which I wanted to clear off before tomorrow's shoot. And it seemed likely that it would be quicker than reformatting ....... Key presses were <play> <delete> <down arrow> <set> so far as I remember. Then wait, wait longer, press buttoms randomly to see if anything happens. Shutter works, nothing else ... Flip over ... remove baseplate ... remove battery. I can repeat this as required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 22, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 22, 2009 It's probably caused by the same or similar bug that makes the format take so long. Who would of thought a update digital M camera that costs 2000 more then the original and 1000 more then the model just before it would take forever to format a SD card, no matter how big or small the card is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 22, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't know whether anyone else is finding this problem but when I try to delete multiple files, the card activity light starts to flash .... and never stops. The menu screen continues to be displayed and the shutter can be released whilst this is happening (though nothing is recorded) but the camera cannot be turned off with the power switch. It is necessary to remove the battery to stop it. I'm using 16 gbyte Sandisk Extreme III cards. There can be a problem in deleting images if the buffer is already working on saving pictures just taken. At least you can't delete "all" files before they are all stored (I've had some fun with this as files kept staying on the card; simply because they weren't stored from the buffer then I selected "all" delete). May not be related to your problem. I would love a description from Leica how the buffer and storage works. As far as I've understood, there's two lines through the camera and I wonder if they work as one of if DNG/JPG goes seperate ways, preview uses both, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 22, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 22, 2009 Hi There I'm not sure about your bug (it doesn't seem to work on my camera). The long format time is a known issue though, and should be sorted out on the next firmware update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 22, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 22, 2009 Interesting concept of a bug "working". I've never had a problem deleting in-camera on the M8, but it makes sense not to do it while the camera is writing to the card. In theory, all update requests to the card should be handled one at a time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclamb Posted September 22, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 22, 2009 I just posted this on another forum: Intermittent problem with M9 getting stuck: Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Seems we have the same issue. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macdaddinator Posted September 23, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 23, 2009 Wait- you mean you're taking imperfect photos with that beautiful camera?? Mostly agreed with the others- never delete in-camera. You 1) lose the moment and 2) risk technical issues. I do however move the files from computer rather than format. I like to preserve a "lost & found" read-me file on all my cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 23, 2009 Hi ThereI'm not sure about your bug (it doesn't seem to work on my camera). The long format time is a known issue though, and should be sorted out on the next firmware update. Jono the OP states in a second post that he was trying to Delete All when this happened. At least that is what it looks like with the buttons he was pressing. Quote: Key presses were <play> <delete> "<down arrow>" (That would be from Single to All) <set> so far as I remember. Have you tried Delete All? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted September 23, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2009 Although the do not delete advice provided by many on this thread seems like good advice I have found that the delete function works much better on the M9 than the M8 or M8.2. I sure hope the long M9 formating time does get sorted out with new firmware. At least I know its not my camera. The M9 images are fantastic and worth some inconvenience. I also find that the M9 LCD screen can't handle the high quality of the M9 files themselves and that this discrepancy was not such an issue on the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted September 23, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 23, 2009 I have no problem deleting images in-camera on the M8. However I only do it when nothing else is going on (writing to card etc.) and usually only single images. It may be worth keeping to this procedure until a firmware upgrade is offered for the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBar Posted September 23, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 23, 2009 I had exactly the same problem as the OP, with an 8 GB ADATA card. Delete all ( and there were less than 10 pictures) did not work and the light kept flashing. It was also impossible to interupt the task, I could not put the camera off. I wanted to delete all pictures in the camera because I was taking all kinds of pictures to try things out: pictures I never wanted to see again. Newest firmware BTW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted September 23, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 23, 2009 I don't know whether anyone else is finding this problem but when I try to delete multiple files, the card activity light starts to flash .... and never stops. The menu screen continues to be displayed and the shutter can be released whilst this is happening (though nothing is recorded) but the camera cannot be turned off with the power switch. It is necessary to remove the battery to stop it. I'm using 16 gbyte Sandisk Extreme III cards. This has happened to me and though I am finding it hard to replicate I have found that it doesn't happen at all (or not so far!) if you make sure that your button presses in the sequence are all kept separate. In the sequence: Play (left thumb) Delete (left thumb) Select 'ALL' (right thumb) Set (left thumb) Select 'Yes' (right thumb) Set (left thumb) it is very easy to press with one thumb before one has let go with the other, leading to brief moments when two buttons are depressed at once. I believe that it is such moments that cause this lockup, but I am still testing this hypothesis! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 23, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 23, 2009 ......................................it is very easy to press with one thumb before one has let go with the other, leading to brief moments when two buttons are depressed at once. I believe that it is such moments that cause this lockup, but I am still testing this hypothesis! Tim That could explain what happened to me. I was returning from shooting in London and sat on the train reviewing images. I wasn't deleting images but quickly moving between them. At one point the display went to the All Images mode with the light continuously flashing. Interestingly I could select some menus and move between menu items but if I returned to Play mode I couldn't get into any display mode other than the multi image. The busy light continued to flash with the camera switched "Off". Card was 2GB SanDisk Ultra II. Maybe this is an indication that the menu and display functions are handled by separate processors and only the display one had hung. Problem fixed by removing and reinserting the battery. I've noticed that the M9 unlike the M8 is able to display the latest image with the play button while the data is still being written to the SD card. The M8 always displays the one before last image if you do this. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 23, 2009 I have to say that this and other bugs are totally ridiculous. Leica had 3 years and $2000 more in cost, then the M8 at release, to get these things worked out on the M9 and still multiple bugs remain, totally ridiculous on a $7000.00 camera. Faster working and more stable cameras with more functions in much smaller packages have come and gone in that time. Why Leica couldn't of gotten it right the first time is just amazing. I'm kind of glad I don't have $7000 to spend on a camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 23, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 23, 2009 I have to say that this and other bugs are totally ridiculous.Leica had 3 years and $2000 more in cost, then the M8 at release, to get these things worked out on the M9 and still multiple bugs remain, totally ridiculous on a $7000.00 camera. Faster working and more stable cameras with more functions in much smaller packages have come and gone in that time. Why Leica couldn't of gotten it right the first time is just amazing. I'm kind of glad I don't have $7000 to spend on a camera. My day job is software testing. I have a team of from 4 to 8 persons who have teen testing the same software for 4 years. (It IS being updated; we're not drones.) In addition, the developers carry out unit tests and "smoke" their app before giving it to us. In comparison, I would not complain about Leica's progress. Also in comparison: we have spent more than US$3 million on testing this app and still find problems. To rephrase your last statement, "I wish the 7k I'm trying to spend didn't hurt." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 23, 2009 Share #20 Posted September 23, 2009 ... I like to preserve a "lost & found" read-me file on all my cards. I don't follow this. Would you explain a little bit more, please? tnx, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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