M9 image transfer - urgh :(

[wattsy]

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HI There

I just tried this as a matter of interest, and I was thinking it was all fine. But the transfer stopped half way through, and the only thing to do was to disconnect and get the tedious 'data may have been lost' message.

 

Seems to confirm the OP's problem.

[Shootist]

HI There

I just tried this as a matter of interest, and I was thinking it was all fine. But the transfer stopped half way through, and the only thing to do was to disconnect and get the tedious 'data may have been lost' message.

 

P.S. I'm still using Leopard - this is on a 17"MBP

 

That still does not lay blame on the camera. Has anyone tried this on a PC?

I know all you Mac people claim Mac's are the best. Never a problem with a Mac, or so I always seem to read.

 

I'm not saying it's NOT a problem with the cameras USB port and or firmware for the camera and or camera hardware (USB internals) but until someone tries it on a PC and has the same or similar problems I'd be looking at the OS and or hardware on the Mac.

 

Sorry I don't have a M9 but if someone will send me one I'd be happy to try it out.

Just a thought.

 

And arthury why don't you just sell all your digital M gear and move on. It seems nothing that Leica does in the digital space pleases you.

[jonoslack]

That still does not lay blame on the camera. Has anyone tried this on a PC?

I know all you Mac people claim Mac's are the best. Never a problem with a Mac, or so I always seem to read.

 

I'm not saying it's NOT a problem with the cameras USB port and or firmware for the camera and or camera hardware (USB internals) but until someone tries it on a PC and has the same or similar problems I'd be looking at the OS and or hardware on the Mac.

 

Sorry I don't have a M9 but if someone will send me one I'd be happy to try it out.

Just a thought.

 

And arthury why don't you just sell all your digital M gear and move on. It seems nothing that Leica does in the digital space pleases you.

 

'cor - first I'm accused of being responsible for Leica's shortcomings (slacking) and then hiding my head in the sand (slackness) - now I'm burying my head in the sand over the computer

 

I can only try using a pc as a VM ware virtual machine - tried that, it linked seamlessly, and then crashed explorer. Of course, I'm still using the Mac hardware, but it's worth saying that I don't have USB issues . . . expresscard - now that's a different issue!

[vish]

HI There

I just tried this as a matter of interest, and I was thinking it was all fine. But the transfer stopped half way through, and the only thing to do was to disconnect and get the tedious 'data may have been lost' message.

 

P.S. I'm still using Leopard - this is on a 17"MBP

 

Yes, this is exactly the issue I have found. I'm using both Snow Leopard and Leopard. I held off installing 10.6 until after the exhibition specifically to avoid critical driver issues, but I don't think 10.6 is causing the problem, as Mass Storage/PTP are not drivers, they are protocols, and if these were borked on OS X, cameras everywhere would be choking. Hence I think this is a Leica hardware/firmware issue.

[ericperlberg]

Eric,

 

I am having a nightmare with Snow Leopard on my late 2006 iMac (it seems more or less OK on my 2009 model MBP other than the missing drivers). Some of my programs which are still 32 bit are regularly causing system hangs and the Mac equivalent of the blue screen of death - Finder Error 10810. I have had to uninstall things like my Skype phone driver. One of my HP printers now only works in Ghostprint (HP Business Inkjet 1200D) and the updated driver for the HP B9180 seems to have killed the printer totally (all the print heads have stopped working). TWAIN no longer works properly and many scanner drivers are missing. All this is reminiscent of the debacle with Vista and it seems to me that Apple has rushed out a buggy product too fast in order to beat Windows 7 to the draw. For my iMac I am considering reverting to Leopard. If Vish is using Snow Leopard, that could easily be the problem.

 

Wilson

 

Hi Wilson,

Sorry to hear of your struggles with Snow Leopard. I've updated 2 machines (a 2006 MBP and a 2006 MacPro) with no problems other than having to install Rosetta to get the Epson printer driver update to install. Did you install Rosetta when you did your updates? It's not installed by default but is meant to handle many of the 32 bit legacy problems you describe. I'm not familiar with Ghostprint, do you mean GIMP?

 

My evidence question was really more towards the Apple would like you to use Aperture part of the statement I was responding to with the implication that Apple somehow make it more difficult for competing softwares when they have their own product. I know Adobe work closely with Apple on technical issues, I don't know about Phase One.

 

As for the Apple becoming more like Microsoft part of the statement I responsded to, I don't want to sound like an apologist for Apple but comparing the problems you're having, or more correctly perhaps, comparing the problems people in general are experiencing with the Snow Leopard upgrade are small (from everything i've read and I read a lot of tech stuff as tech investing is how I make my living) compared to the Vista problems (both upgrades and with OEM purchases) that people suffered. There is nothing that I've read by serious pundits that supports your statement that Snow Leopard was rushed and there's nothing that I've read except for popular press articles and the so called business press (CNBC, Wall Street Journal et al.) which have set up the Win 7 v Snow Leopard "race". But we all have our opinions on these sort of questions and I doubt my above statements will convince you otherwise.

 

If you diidn't install Rosetta on your upgrades, do give it a try. It's on your Snow Leopard install disk.

 

Eric

 

PS, sorry to hijack your thread Vish. I agree that if Leica put a USB output on their camera it should work. Have they (hopefully) upgraded it to USB 2? A card full of 30mb uncompressed DNG files is an awful lot to push down a USB 1 pipe.

[jonoslack]

PS, sorry to hijack your thread Vish. I agree that if Leica put a USB output on their camera it should work. Have they (hopefully) upgraded it to USB 2? A card full of 30mb uncompressed DNG files is an awful lot to push down a USB 1 pipe.

 

HI Eric

Nice measured post to Wilson. I"m still on 10.5, because I'm worried about my Epson 4000 working on Snow Leopard - you reckon it should be okay if I install Rosetta at the same time? What about networked printers?

 

The M9 is USB2 - it actually seems quite fast . . . . until it stops!

[wlaidlaw]

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For Snow Leopard, you need to check on HP/Epson/Canon etc websites to see if drivers are available or compatible with S.L. HP seem to be particularly bad. I spoke to them about Business Inkjets 1100 and 1200, which is what we use as office printers. They confirm that neither HP nor Apple will be doing drivers for these - not good.The work around for the 1200 only is to use Ghostprint which are basically Linux drivers. The downside is that things like duplex no longer work. My B9180 was working just fine before the S.L. 10.6.1 + HP 2.1 drivers update and suddenly all four print heads have died, when they were showing 100% before, so I assume it is the driver that has killed them. TWAIN drivers are not working properly either, even with Rosetta installed. Adobe is warning about this issue. This is by far the most problematical update of Mac software I have ever done.

 

Wilson

[Shootist]

'cor - first I'm accused of being responsible for Leica's shortcomings (slacking) and then hiding my head in the sand (slackness) - now I'm burying my head in the sand over the computer

 

I can only try using a pc as a VM ware virtual machine - tried that, it linked seamlessly, and then crashed explorer. Of course, I'm still using the Mac hardware, but it's worth saying that I don't have USB issues . . . expresscard - now that's a different issue!

 

 

Sorry I was not accusing anyone of anything, not even Leica. I just thought that if someone had a WinTel PC, a M9 and was following this thread they could try this on that and report what happened.

If it happens on a WinTel PC then it is the camera all by itself. If it doesn't then it could be Mac only or both Mac combined with the camera.

Just trying to put out ideas to either help solve the problem or identify the problem and narrow it down.

[jonoslack]

Sorry I was not accusing anyone of anything, not even Leica. I just thought that if someone had a WinTel PC, a M9 and was following this thread they could try this on that and report what happened.

If it happens on a WinTel PC then it is the camera all by itself. If it doesn't then it could be Mac only or both Mac combined with the camera.

Just trying to put out ideas to either help solve the problem or identify the problem and narrow it down.

 

Hey - I was only joking . . . someone else was taking my name in vain . ..

your suggestion was absolutely to the point - and I tried it (at least as best as I could).

 

I was trying to raise a smile . .. not a wince

[ModernMan]

USB image transfer on Windows works consistently fine for me. PTP or Mass Stoage mode on the camera both work. Lightroom or Windows Explorer both work. No glitches observed by me.

 

Lenovo T60p running Windows 7 RC

[Shootist]

USB image transfer on Windows works consistently fine for me. PTP or Mass Stoage mode on the camera both work. Lightroom or Windows Explorer both work. No glitches observed by me.

 

Lenovo T60p running Windows 7 RC

 

Thanks for the feedback.

Just to get it clear you did shoot multiple images, 50-60-100 not just 5 or 10, and then used either LR or Win Explorer to get the images off the card in the camera.

[ericperlberg]

For Snow Leopard, you need to check on HP/Epson/Canon etc websites to see if drivers are available or compatible with S.L. HP seem to be particularly bad. I spoke to them about Business Inkjets 1100 and 1200, which is what we use as office printers. They confirm that neither HP nor Apple will be doing drivers for these - not good.The work around for the 1200 only is to use Ghostprint which are basically Linux drivers. The downside is that things like duplex no longer work. My B9180 was working just fine before the S.L. 10.6.1 + HP 2.1 drivers update and suddenly all four print heads have died, when they were showing 100% before, so I assume it is the driver that has killed them. TWAIN drivers are not working properly either, even with Rosetta installed. Adobe is warning about this issue. This is by far the most problematical update of Mac software I have ever done.

 

Wilson

 

I know when stuff like this goes wrong with technology its frustrating and Snow Leopard had major internal changes. As far as I know Apple doesn't build any printer drivers, all drivers come from the manufacturer. Apple creates the hooks for the driver to signal the rest of the system.

 

I've learned that Ghostprint is a derivative of the open source CUPS printer driver programme which are printer drivers which work for all Unix based OS's so that when a driver for a flavour of Unix doesn't exist for a particular printer or a supplier stops providing drivers to users of any Unix based computer the user will still have some recourse to their printers. But because these drivers work for a multitude of machines, they necessarily lack the finer capabilities of a printer specific driver. Incidentally Apple sponsors this open source project and of course OS X is a unix derived OS.

 

Another problem for Apple with drivers is in the article I linked to above from Luminous Landscape which quotess an apple executive that:

 

- In the past, Epson has never provided the drivers for these large format printers to be included in a Mac OS X install, customers always had to get them again from Epson after installing a new OS.

 

So the fact that some Epson drivers are not installed with a new Mac OS is again not something Apple can control. I can understand your frustration and annoyance and would feel the same myself if it had happened to me (and HP did it to me on a scanner driver several years ago leaving me with a worthless paperweight for about 10 months until some other solution worked), but my point is I don't believe its Apple's fault.

 

I realise the HP situation with your printers and indeed the TWAIN drivers is not quite the same as the Epson one above but apparently HP just didn't feel like committing the engineering resources to develop a new driver for your printers or scanner but it still isn't Apple's fault. It's Apple's responsibility to keep the manufacturers informed with changes and what to check for and what they might have to do to repair any problems and supply them with a continuous flow of working versions of the new OS to test against.

 

I realise none of this makes your upgrade any less annoying and Apple marketing is good at glossing over certain difficult details..

 

And now... back to the tread I've twice hijacked.

[swamiji]

Apple has release New printer drivers this last week. Also upgrading to Mac OS 10.6.1 corrected my Canon printer driver problem....

[ericperlberg]

HI Eric

Nice measured post to Wilson. I"m still on 10.5, because I'm worried about my Epson 4000 working on Snow Leopard - you reckon it should be okay if I install Rosetta at the same time? What about networked printers?

 

The M9 is USB2 - it actually seems quite fast . . . . until it stops!

 

Hi Jono,

 

I believe Epson has developed drivers for Snow Leopard for most of their higher end discontinued printers but I don't know about the 4000 specifically except you should be able to locate it (or not) at the Snow Leopard section of Epson's web site.

 

The only reason that you need Rosetta installed is that the driver installer that Epson used is not Snow Leopard compatible. So either you'll need to install Rosetta just to get the installer to work (and then you don't need Rosetta) or if the Snow Leopard Driver is now being hosted on Apple's servers you can download the uncompressed driver and install it manually and then you wouldn't need to install Rosetta at all. Unfortunately I can't find the link to Apple's server URL hosting the uncompressed drivers right now

 

Back to M9 image transfer - urgh

[vish]

Easy Eric - No worries

 

So are you M9'd up now? Perhaps we should catch up before I head off to the Americas in six weeks - we can compare foibles

[ericperlberg]

Easy Eric - No worries

 

So are you M9'd up now? Perhaps we should catch up before I head off to the Americas in six weeks - we can compare foibles

 

Hey Vish,

 

I've got to sell my M8s and 8.2 first but I'll order an M9 very soon. My mother told me over and over to be a heroin addict when I grew up but of course I knew better and took up shooting with a Leica... so yeah an M9 and an M10 when that eventually comes out too just 10 months after I buy the Leica M9.2.

 

Happy to catch up and compare notes over a coffee before you go to the US.

 

e

[stephengilbert]

If the camera's USB doesn't work, it shouldn't ship with a USB port. The answer that the really cool kids don't ever connect their cameras to their computers is no answer at all. The OP asks a reasonable question, and gets the usual answer: it's his fault, not Leica's.

[Shootist]

If the camera's USB doesn't work, it shouldn't ship with a USB port. The answer that the really cool kids don't ever connect their cameras to their computers is no answer at all. The OP asks a reasonable question, and gets the usual answer: it's his fault, not Leica's.

 

If you had taken the time to read the whole thread, or at least the last page, you would see one member that does not have a problem, ModernMan about 8 posts up. He is using a WinTel PC and not a Mac. So at this time it seems to be a Mac problem and not the camera.

[ceflynn]

The next time you try to transfer photo files directly from the camera, open the Console application, in /Applications/Utilities. See if the system log, the console log, or if you are using Leopard or Snow Leopard, the All Messages log, shows at an error at the time of the attempted transfer.

 

I do not know whether Adobe has a support document about this, but I have been told that they recommend using a card reader to copy the photo files from the card to a dedicated folder on the hard drive, and then, after the card has been properly ejected, importing the photo files from the folder to Lightroom, or another similar program.

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[stephengilbert]

"If you had taken the time to read the whole thread, or at least the last page, you would see one member that does not have a problem, ModernMan about 8 posts up. He is using a WinTel PC and not a Mac. So at this time it seems to be a Mac problem and not the camera."

 

And this excuses the general tone of the responses? Okay.