geaibleu Posted September 22, 2009 Share #61 Posted September 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is amazing but to be expected for a new camera. I have several Macs and they work fine through iFoto with my M8. Concerning the M9, it may well be that iFoto needs to be upgraded. It took time for iFoto to accept raw Olympus from E-30, event though it accepted it from the earlier E-510. Have you tried to download your M9 with JPEG as well as raw? In any case do consult the Mac fora, or better still, send an e-mail to Mac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Hi geaibleu, Take a look here M9 image transfer - urgh :(. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Shootist Posted September 22, 2009 Share #62 Posted September 22, 2009 "If you had taken the time to read the whole thread, or at least the last page, you would see one member that does not have a problem, ModernMan about 8 posts up. He is using a WinTel PC and not a Mac. So at this time it seems to be a Mac problem and not the camera." And this excuses the general tone of the responses? Okay. Just answering in the same tone as your post. You seem to be blaming Leica for something that at this point is not clear whether it is a OS/computer hardware problem or a combination of the OS/computer and the hardware and or firmware in the camera. Sorry if I have offended you. Please accept my apology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted September 22, 2009 Share #63 Posted September 22, 2009 Thanks for the feedback.Just to get it clear you did shoot multiple images, 50-60-100 not just 5 or 10, and then used either LR or Win Explorer to get the images off the card in the camera. Shootist, as it turns out that's a revealing question. The experience I reported initially was with only a small number of images (compressed DNG), various quatities I'd estimate all were under 20 images. No problems onserved with PTP or Mass Storage. Since you asked, I took 100 or so images with the camera (103 to be exact) again all compressed DNG. Transferring these to the PC consistently reveals no problems with PTP. However, Mass Storage fails at a (so far) unpredicatable point in the transfer. Sometimes after 20 or so images, sometimes less, seldom more. This failure shows up without any diagnostic message. The copy operation just does not progress. Perhaps if left long enough a timeout error would occur. Tried using a fresh battery in the camera, starting the process from camera off and just-booted PC -- problem persists. So, perhaps there is a problem with the Mass Storage mode support in the M9 firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 22, 2009 Share #64 Posted September 22, 2009 Thanks again for the updated test. We can now say the camera is totally at fault. This is total speculation but I think Leica knows about this and other minor problems with the M9 and is working hard on fixing them before they make a mass shipment to many parts of the world. There was a thread speculating the M9 was under some type of recall. As it turns out the admin of this forum contacted Leica and was told "No there is No recall" and that thread was closed. But it would not be in Leicas best interest to post on this forum that "Yes there was a recall for some problems and that shipping would be delayed". There is one other problem. That is there is not one M9 out in the hand of the public that the serial number shows up in the EXIF. Although this may be just a firmware issue it may also be a hardware issue. No one know at this point. But if they shipped out a lot of cameras with these bugs and then had to make a general recall it would be something like the M8 launch. Only worse IMHO. Shootist, as it turns out that's a revealing question. The experience I reported initially was with only a small number of images (compressed DNG), various quatities I'd estimate all were under 20 images. No problems onserved with PTP or Mass Storage. Since you asked, I took 100 or so images with the camera (103 to be exact) again all compressed DNG. Transferring these to the PC consistently reveals no problems with PTP. However, Mass Storage fails at a (so far) unpredicatable point in the transfer. Sometimes after 20 or so images, sometimes less, seldom more. This failure shows up without any diagnostic message. The copy operation just does not progress. Perhaps if left long enough a timeout error would occur. Tried using a fresh battery in the camera, starting the process from camera off and just-booted PC -- problem persists. So, perhaps there is a problem with the Mass Storage mode support in the M9 firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted September 22, 2009 Share #65 Posted September 22, 2009 Although I fully agree that Leica should have gotten this right with any camera sold (even though the firmware was nominally pre-release) they're not the only ones that screw up things. I've used Canon DSLR's since the D60 and have had a number of problems, including one with the first 5D (very early production) that was similar to this. I wanted to set up the camera info so it would record me as the photographer, and hooked it up to the computer. Since there were pictures on the card in the camera, I decided to download them at the same time. Three tries later I gave up and just did the ID thing, because I never was able to download via the camera-USB-computer cable. Just to be clear, I've had various DSLR's in to Canon on various repairs and adjustments and have also had my first M8 in to Leica to be adjusted to the Noctilux. Leica's service (Solms) was both a lot better in every way including speed compared to Canon Canada. This may be atypical, but it did happen. I've also had some lenses in to Canon service, and one was in 4 times, and still didn't work properly. Japanese companies screw up as well with both consumer level stuff and expensive stuff. It's just that if the inexpensive consumer stuff gets screwed up you don't feel as bad as when the expensive stuff, whether Leica or Canon, gets messed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grduprey Posted September 22, 2009 Share #66 Posted September 22, 2009 I have only used the usb port on my M8 once, and it worked just fine. However the best download is done using a usb card reader. Have never used the usb port on any japanese camera, so can't comment on how they work. As for battery life, all 4 of mine last through a 4 gig card with no problems. Sorry to report no problems, but my M8 has performed virtually flawlessly for almost 3 years now, under all kinds of weather and usage conditions. Gene Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 22, 2009 Share #67 Posted September 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) RTFM: The Leica M9 allows data to be transferred via a USB cable using two different standards. This allows for the fact that some programs for transferring picture data require a connection based on the PTP protocol. Page 158.... But I admit that the manual goes on to contradict itself and claims that the camera can always be used as an external drive:o My guess is that some timeout must be removed in firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 22, 2009 Share #68 Posted September 22, 2009 RTFM: Page 158.... But I admit that the manual goes on to contradict itself and claims that the camera can always be used as an external drive:o My guess is that some timeout must be removed in firmware. Just a thought - has anyone tried disabling the auto-switch off and downloading via cable. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 22, 2009 Share #69 Posted September 22, 2009 Just a thought - has anyone tried disabling the auto-switch off and downloading via cable. Wilson I don't think that is the problem because most of the reports place the problem at 20+/- images downloaded before it stops. 20+ images can not take the default auto shut off time of 10 min even at 35MB a image. And I haven't read anything about the camera shutting off during the download. But this is also something to check just to rule it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 22, 2009 Share #70 Posted September 22, 2009 The camera cannot be switched off or automatically switch off due to lack of batterypower (???) when downloading data to the computer.... I think this must be read as " ...may not be allowed to automatically switch off due...." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 22, 2009 Share #71 Posted September 22, 2009 According to the manual the camera will behave like an external drive and be assigned a drive letter in Windows , with Mac the memory card will appear as a storage medium on the desktop. Use the Finder to transfer the picture data to your computer and save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vish Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share #72 Posted September 22, 2009 According to the manual the camera will behave like an external drive and be assigned a drive letter in Windows , with Mac the memory card will appear as a storage medium on the desktop. Use the Finder to transfer the picture data to your computer and save. It does indeed appear as a drive. Sadly, as I mentioned, this fails in exactly the same way when copying files. @ModernMan - thanks for the PC test - very helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 22, 2009 Share #73 Posted September 22, 2009 So there must be a firmware glitch somewhere to make it time out. Does PTP work on Mac? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mby Posted September 22, 2009 Share #74 Posted September 22, 2009 So there must be a firmware glitch somewhere to make it time out. Does PTP work on Mac? PTP works fine here w/ M9 and MacOS X 10.6.1... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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