reven Posted November 20, 2006 Share #21 Posted November 20, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's pretty simple, we got no date so far beause Lica doesn't know when they really will say it. It could be that, even I don't hope so, we get the msg on friday, that they need one more week ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 20, 2006 Posted November 20, 2006 Hi reven, Take a look here It's 8:00AM in the USA & 2:00PM in Germany, Any Word from Leica re: M8?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MSmelik Posted November 20, 2006 Share #22 Posted November 20, 2006 Friday has not been mentioned by anyone. Now for C'sakes let's all cool down a bit. Leica will not make their second mistake by hurrying up their solution (hopefully) I hope they take all the time they need. Let's not turn this forum into a whinging moaning, anticipating bunch of old wives forum (no disrespect meant). It's not fun to read anyway after all these M8 posts and the ever recurring message. Go to Film forum change some ideas there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted November 20, 2006 Share #23 Posted November 20, 2006 last time I said something like this I got flammed... anyway I back you up on this one ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 20, 2006 Share #24 Posted November 20, 2006 Let's not turn this forum into a whinging moaning, anticipating bunch of old wives forum (no disrespect meant). Maybe there are authentic old wives here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSmelik Posted November 20, 2006 Share #25 Posted November 20, 2006 Maybe there are authentic old wives here... if not ... at least some almost perfect impersonations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted November 20, 2006 Share #26 Posted November 20, 2006 As a loyal Leica supporter, I really hope it's not filters. Having extra IR may be useful for the artist or high end professional, having to have filters / coding / profiles won't help sales in the rest of the marketplace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSmelik Posted November 20, 2006 Share #27 Posted November 20, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree, if it's filters I'm out. this has been discussed before. But I think leica understands that issue and will look for another, perhaps more coslty too, solution, a more "Leica" solution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted November 20, 2006 Share #28 Posted November 20, 2006 I sincerely hope some internal filtration can be devised, especially in the interests of those with a range of existing Leica or other M lenses, who would otherwise be forming a line right now to get hold of these cameras. As said, I'm not intending to be contentious, just realistic. I've got my fingers crossed for everyone out there right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted November 20, 2006 Share #29 Posted November 20, 2006 Is IR inherently a CCD sensor issue which can only be eliminated by the use of filtration? I know many people do not want to use filters, but what would you choose if, in order to retain the image quality of the M8, we had to use a filter over the lens? My choice would be to use the filter if the only way to eliminate the IR issue is to use a thicker covering glass which they say will cause other issues such as loss of image quality. What fixes would they be able to achieve with a new sensor and electronics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W Posted November 20, 2006 Share #30 Posted November 20, 2006 I know many people do not want to use filters, but what would you choose if, in order to retain the image quality of the M8, we had to use a filter over the lens? I have already chosen and bought a new EOS-1Ds, because I figure the filter will be the solution to be announced. So until the M9 or an upgraded M8 will come I will play with my new toy and my old Epson R-D1…….. Sorry Leica but you lost me this time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
espressogeek Posted November 20, 2006 Share #31 Posted November 20, 2006 I agree, if it's filters I'm out. this has been discussed before. But I think leica understands that issue and will look for another, perhaps more coslty too, solution, a more "Leica" solution Agreed, I'm not covering beautiful glass with stupid IR filters. Fix it or loose me until the next camera. I'll have to hunt up an used RD-1 or other solution. BTW, where is Leica's announcement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuweimichael Posted November 20, 2006 Share #32 Posted November 20, 2006 That link was in German ? I can only read english........Thanks anyway..... Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted November 20, 2006 Share #33 Posted November 20, 2006 Well, you know, I've never put a filter over my lens in 40 years of picture-taking....as with many of you, a real philosophical stand, based on testing with and without filters. But if it works, and gives us M8's that produce great pictures, why not move on and do it? I'm OK with it. Much better than not having the M8 produce the sharpest image it can, or having Leica go broke trying to fix it, or take a year to change it. And I'm prepared to occasionally lose a shot to flare or reflections....but at least with digital, you can see it happen and maybe do it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 20, 2006 Share #34 Posted November 20, 2006 Just a thought - and as you can possibly guess I'm trying to justify to myself that filters on an M8 wouldn't be the spawn of the devil - how many people are prepared to use filters if they are shooting b&w film? While I never use filters for colour I almost always use them for b&w. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 20, 2006 Share #35 Posted November 20, 2006 ...Having extra IR may be useful for the artist or high end professional... Perhaps if IR-cut filters would allow those artists or scientists to get faithful colours, but is it the case actually? Mark Davison's green blanket does not look green at all with his Tiffen filters so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 20, 2006 Share #36 Posted November 20, 2006 So, Monday has been and gone, nothing, so I guess it was wishful thinking. I do think all this stuff about retaining its IR capabiliuty as a creative feature is nonsense. It was never advertised as providing this so I really do think they are clutching at straws. I may need to buy $1000 of filters but I get IR imaging which I have no interest in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 20, 2006 Share #37 Posted November 20, 2006 So, Monday has been and gone, nothing, so I guess it was wishful thinking. So, who is going to start another thread tomorrow morning? "Tuesday ... blah blah". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted November 21, 2006 Share #38 Posted November 21, 2006 ...banding and magenta cast are not the only problems with the Leica M8. The White Balance is horrible. Erratic and erroneous most of the time. (Ask Panasonic for help!). SD-HC cards are not supported (I tried one from SanDisk an the M8 did not recognize it). Too much noise at 640 ISO, with a strong chromatic component (I don't know if the camera does any internal processing, but Panasonic cameras does better here). Of course, the banding problem. I see it even at ISO 640. I hope a software fix is enough. The camera has a lot of potential, but the bugs and the software problems make the pictures unpredictable. Several have a lot of quality, but others are failed and unusable. There are a lot of things to fix. Geex... I love people who aren't in the loop. How do you know they aren't ALL ONE PROBLEM?!!! Just because it LOOKS like many different issues doesn't mean there isn't ONE SOLUTION! AARGH! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted November 21, 2006 Share #39 Posted November 21, 2006 Just a thought - and as you can possibly guess I'm trying to justify to myself that filters on an M8 wouldn't be the spawn of the devil - how many people are prepared to use filters if they are shooting b&w film? While I never use filters for colour I almost always use them for b&w. Steve, I agree with your expressed sentiment and would do it if necessary. I am, however, pissed off at the prospect of the cost of filtering a suit of lenses. Worse still, my nifty 15mm CV will be left out in the magenta - oops! dark! One of the reasons I committed immediately (well nearly immediately!) to the M8 is because this time of year is about to get slack, workwise and time is needed to apply some of the temporary fixes while waiting. I think I will need to learn how to apply some of these profiles and such like. By the time business is back in 2007 I want to be able to reasonably predict outcomes, not like yesterdays magenta shoot of the fire! Waiting any longer could mean no M8 for some time here in under priveledged Oz. Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted November 21, 2006 Share #40 Posted November 21, 2006 There was a post by Sean Reed on Photo net earlier this evening in which he showed a responce by Leica about the M8. I checked here to see if it had been posted here as well, after finding out this was not the case I went back to Photo net to look at it again. It wasn't there anymore. Sean, if you read this, help me out. Was it a fata morgana or did you post this and remove it, or possibly was it removed. Fr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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