Bo_Lorentzen Posted September 14, 2009 Share #21 Posted September 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ahhhh. THAT is a great idea, dirt cheap and probably a lot of protection, by just preventing running water, even a light seal on the body would stop most water / dust. could be tossed in the camera bag pocket and forgotten for a rainy day quite literally. If Tim don't want to mess with it, I can whip up a casting pretty quickly. probably will make a couple for myself regardless. Package can contain a snap on for the speed dial and one for the shutter. Bo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pluton Posted September 14, 2009 Share #22 Posted September 14, 2009 I guess photographers will just have to keep protecting their cameras from the rain, as they have been doing for the last 80 years or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 14, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 14, 2009 Mark, thanks for the comment on the likely area for water to enter the M8 and M9. I can imagine that as you took the M8 apart it was apparent to you that there must be a gaping opening at those spots. Combine that with gravity and it seems like you must be right. Drip, drip, drip. It makes a lot more sense than the bottom plate or some other area... how would water leak up hill. So, general condensation and leakage is number two and gravity drips from the likely openings on the top is the number one most likely entry point. I'm going with that and I'll try and cover this area with something if I am ever forced to shoot in the rain. By the way, many thanks to all of the clever and light hearted comments from everyone else. Edit: I know this group... Ok, capillary action and water moves up hill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted September 14, 2009 Share #24 Posted September 14, 2009 Ahhhh. THAT is a great idea, dirt cheap and probably a lot of protection, by just preventing running water, even a light seal on the body would stop most water / dust. could be tossed in the camera bag pocket and forgotten for a rainy day quite literally. If Tim don't want to mess with it, I can whip up a casting pretty quickly. probably will make a couple for myself regardless. Package can contain a snap on for the speed dial and one for the shutter. Bo Bo, I'll pass on some thoughts later, but my suggestion for packaging would be at least two of each per package...I'm thinking it would not be a surprise to be out shooting, look down, and find one of the caps missing. Such is life. Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 14, 2009 EWA has a very practical camera " raincoat" But any plastic shopping bag will do with a few strategic holes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted September 14, 2009 Share #26 Posted September 14, 2009 Larry, Agree, these are really "disposable" dust/moisture seals. should be a zip lock bag with 2-3 pairs. Already drafted this for a sample, checking with casting tonight for a price and pre-pro samples. (made in China not Germany) . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted September 15, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) If Leica sealed up the body, they could really "seal the deal" as it were by introducing matching sealed lenses. Of course, everyone would moan that they'd have to upgrade all their lenses. I think, that with a little care - that a camera completely lacking sealing is perfectly capable of some rough conditions. I've used my Canon A-1 and D30, among others in all sorts of conditions without issue. Though I did kill one EF lens' AF mechanism due to a grain of sand in the works. I use a 1D Mark IIn in all kinds of conditions with a sealed lens mounted and it's pretty neat. But with sealing comes added complexity, cost, weight, bulk/space issues. Perhaps not huge, admittedly... But really, without matching sealed lenses it's nice to think "every little bit helps." I can agree with that. But would it really be worth it? I think I've heard of more 5D Mark II cameras fail in the cold/humidity than M8s! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2009 Share #28 Posted September 15, 2009 Afaik Canon 5Dii cameras are not sold as weathersealed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmike Posted September 15, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 15, 2009 EWA has a very practical camera " raincoat" But any plastic shopping bag will do with a few strategic holes. FWIW: I use plastic shower caps, available in virtually every hotel room (3 Star and up, I guess) in the world, plus they're free. I've always got a few in my bag. They don't help much with dust, but are fine in rainy weather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 15, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 15, 2009 FWIW: I use plastic shower caps, available in virtually every hotel room (3 Star and up, I guess) in the world, plus they're free. I've always got a few in my bag. They don't help much with dust, but are fine in rainy weather. Exactly what I do. Cheap and effective. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 15, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 15, 2009 Still trying to figure out how my oh-so-unprofessionally-unsealed M8 survived this....http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1007236-post1.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2009 Share #32 Posted September 15, 2009 That is easy, Andy. Everybody knows that anything negative happening to a Leica is an ISSUE and anything positve happening to a Leica is a FLUKE. I'm surprised you are even asking this..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted September 15, 2009 Share #33 Posted September 15, 2009 FWIW: I use plastic shower caps, available in virtually every hotel room (3 Star and up, I guess) in the world, plus they're free. I've always got a few in my bag. They don't help much with dust, but are fine in rainy weather. Sidebar: Used to do field training exercises. At a staff meeting one of the team leaders complained about getting his $160 loafers messed up. Just about everyone rolled their eyes, but one wag (it might have been me ) suggested using LPDs (Loafer Protection Devices). You guessed it -- shower caps -- which we had been using to cover volunteer victim's hair. Within days, an "LPD" box appeared on a shelf in the office and people began filling it up with the shower caps they picked up on trips. (Sorry to say, the last thing I heard about the expert with the $160 loafers was that he was a consultant to a disaster-themed reality TV show.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Cristophe Posted September 15, 2009 Share #34 Posted September 15, 2009 That is easy, Andy. Everybody knows that anything negative happening to a Leica is an ISSUE and anything positve happening to a Leica is a FLUKE. I'm surprised you are even asking this..... One is presumably allowed to look at a 7k$ camera critically, or by doing so does one here automatically become the Troll or the Idiot upon doing so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2009 Share #35 Posted September 15, 2009 No - not automatically. We are a democratic forum. Everybody is supposed to pick his own label. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Cristophe Posted September 15, 2009 Share #36 Posted September 15, 2009 No - not automatically. We are a democratic forum. Everybody is supposed to pick his own label. OK let me replace "become" by "being treated" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2009 Share #37 Posted September 15, 2009 So where was Andy treated like that? I suggest you start reading the post I answered to and look up "" context"and "tongue in cheek" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 15, 2009 Share #38 Posted September 15, 2009 Stephen Daniels the product manager for the M8 said it best it was a business decision. They could have done may things different with the M9 but all of that would have lead to longer development cycles. 1.The M8/8.2/9 electronic internals are the product of Jenoptik built to Leica's specification. 2. Other components are bought either from spec or off the shelf, much has been reused in the M9 because they were fully tested, they worked, and were on hand. 3. They wanted to get a full frame (36x24) M to market as soon as they could 4. Leica has a small staff and could not undergo two internal projects (M9 and S2) and meet the business timelines. Speculation on my part, the M10 will be an internal project for Leica and will finally see many of the S2 features and know how in it. Also we are dealing with Leica, when things are in their control they really don't do things half baked. Listen to the interview with Peter Karbe, when asked about designing lens that are weather proof, it almost pains him to answer the question as to how much work went into the S2 lenses. You still won't get the weather proofing on an M lens. So while additional seals would be nice that big hole in the front of the camera (the bayonet) is closest to the electronic internals is still not sealed. As such Leica probably weighed the additional development time of adding some seals versus the the limited gain from doing so and decided that the added expense and additional time to implement it wasn't worth it. I am sure it would have been a different story if Leica was getting back 10 bodies a week all shorted out from foul weather. With a weather sealed Leica DRF there can also be a set of M lenses with weather seals. Not all of them but some new versions of existing designs (and then new designs could have that by default). I discussed this with engineers at Leica. It can certainly be done but it requires mechanical re-design, etc. If and when Leica introduces a sealed DRF, it is reasonable to expect that they will also have some sealed lenses to match. Natural choices might the 28, 35 and 50 Summicrons for example. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted September 15, 2009 Share #39 Posted September 15, 2009 FWIW: I use plastic shower caps, available in virtually every hotel room (3 Star and up, I guess) in the world, plus they're free. I've always got a few in my bag. They don't help much with dust, but are fine in rainy weather. The Concept: The caps are not designed to do the same job as a full rain cover (I own two of those for my sports shooting -- they pretty much guarantee the rain will stop if I go to the trouble of putting them on the cameras), a plastic bag, or a shower cap. The idea is for a small item that reduces the risk of of unplanned moisture events short of torrential downpour, tsunami, or full immersion. Let's face it -- the top of the M8 shutter release assembly is a virtual funnel. The caps won't provide full weather sealing (get an Oly E-1 or E-3 for that), but neither do they involve carrying the camera around in a plastic bag all day. And they are still an untried proposition... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted September 15, 2009 Share #40 Posted September 15, 2009 Afaik Canon 5Dii cameras are not sold as weathersealed. Not exactly, no - they save that for the 1D series. But the 5D2 is much-improved in this area. Canon says: "The battery compartment, memory card door, LCD and the camera buttons are all fitted with sealing materials (indicated in red). In addition the adoption of high precision split-level alignment of the magnesium-alloy external covers, high precision dial construction and external rubber grip covers (indicated in green), has improved the camera's dust and water resistance." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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