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Don't get me wrong, the camera appears to be an awesome picture taking machine. Perhaps the finest EVER.

 

I'm just surprised that the company that once wrote in their promotional literature how even if the camera would keep on clicking when the light meter stopped ticking (albeit when the battery died) would, in the moisture averse digital age, overlook this.

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Well, although it is certainly a point to consider, in practice the M8 had proven to be pretty well able to keep out the elements, with less exceptions than can be counted on one hand. The M9 should prove as resistant, maybe even better, nobody has seen whether Leica have tightened up some soft spots or not.

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Stephen Daniels the product manager for the M8 said it best it was a business decision. They could have done may things different with the M9 but all of that would have lead to longer development cycles.

1.The M8/8.2/9 electronic internals are the product of Jenoptik built to Leica's specification.

2. Other components are bought either from spec or off the shelf, much has been reused in the M9 because they were fully tested, they worked, and were on hand.

3. They wanted to get a full frame (36x24) M to market as soon as they could

4. Leica has a small staff and could not undergo two internal projects (M9 and S2) and meet the business timelines.

 

Speculation on my part, the M10 will be an internal project for Leica and will finally see many of the S2 features and know how in it. Also we are dealing with Leica, when things are in their control they really don't do things half baked. Listen to the interview with Peter Karbe, when asked about designing lens that are weather proof, it almost pains him to answer the question as to how much work went into the S2 lenses. You still won't get the weather proofing on an M lens. So while additional seals would be nice that big hole in the front of the camera (the bayonet) is closest to the electronic internals is still not sealed. As such Leica probably weighed the additional development time of adding some seals versus the the limited gain from doing so and decided that the added expense and additional time to implement it wasn't worth it. I am sure it would have been a different story if Leica was getting back 10 bodies a week all shorted out from foul weather.

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Because, believe it or not, if something goes wrong the M9 will still be working.

 

This reminds me of a great scene from Broadway Danny Rose:

 

Woody Allen: Some guy shot him in the eyes

 

Mia Farrow: So he's blind?

 

Woody Allen: Dead.

 

Mia Farrow: Dead. Of course, 'cause the bullets go right through....

 

A lens that's not weather-sealed will leak water into the camera. The bullets go right through...

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Digital Nature Photography

 

At least this one seems to have lasted 2 hours in the rain (the lenses he used were not sealed).

Yes- and? My M8 has lasted longer than that in the rain - which proves nothing, only that it may not be weathersealed, but is not totally open to the elements.

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This reminds me of a great scene from Broadway Danny Rose:

 

Woody Allen: Some guy shot him in the eyes

 

Mia Farrow: So he's blind?

 

Woody Allen: Dead.

 

Mia Farrow: Dead. Of course, 'cause the bullets go right through....

 

A lens that's not weather-sealed will leak water into the camera. The bullets go right through...

 

Thanks for the laugh of the day.

 

Do you really expect a weathersealed body+Camera to be submersible? LOL

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Mark,

 

seems like the shutter-speed dial would go a long way with a tight O ring.

 

same thing two O rings could be sandwiched in the on-off and shutter combo, and finally a twist in filler for the cable-release tread might finish the job.

 

I always thought it was the display and navigation options on the back which were the biggest issue and have been sticking a piece of black gaff tape over the entire backside when in rain. (must have worked my camera is still working) :D

 

 

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It's the shutter release, mode switch and (to a lesser extent) the shutter speed dial which are to blame... This slavish adherence to an archaic cable release design does them no favours.

 

Mark...My guess is that you don't have an M9 scheduled for your autopsy (camopsy?) table, but do you have any clues as to the configuration of the M9 shutter release?

 

I gather there are three release-related moisture entry paths on the M8: (1) directly through the tapered threaded cable release socket in the button itself, (2) the "cup" that makes up the body of the switch and which the release button is centered, and (3) the area of the top plate underneath the button/switch external assembly.

 

I figure a dab of RTV could solve (1) and would be easy to remove. But that crater (2) seems like a funnel that actually catches water. If Tim Isaac could design a silicone "shower cap" that would snap over the switch, would that solve the (1) and (2) parts of the problem?

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Leica's lenses may not officially be weatherproof, but mine have stood up to considerable abuse over the years, and have often been saviors when other equipment has ground to a halt in jungles and deserts alike.

 

Not entirely sure how the M9 will cope, but for all the problems many of us had with the M8, for me it never stopped working because of heat, cold, dust or moisture - maybe I was just lucky.

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