Guest Lotw Posted September 13, 2009 Share #101 Posted September 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Won't go for jump to M9 until : Buy a monitor sized 5212 x 3472 pixels Sensor cleaning is built in The battery can be so called Viewfinder includes focusing lenses for glassholders, which is a must at this range of professional camera Price is affordable for talentuous young people in love with photography. Having such high level of price excludes too many young people of photography world, it "kills" the quality aspects and opens the iPhoto "dirty" market... Don't want to go to red Adobe Lightroom. Capture One satisfies me at a high point unless its recurrent problems, and Silverfast has been undecently ignored... I had a half hour trip yesterday with the M9 by my Leica retailer. The results don't make me think the move from M8 is worth, using M9 or M8 is nearly the same behaviour. Could shoot with my 12 mm Voigtlander. Vignetting is here, of course, but I am glad to have the proof that the firmware doesn't hold any process on this case, as Canikon hold tricky process onto the original shots on this point. Wait and see... Well, in that case I'd say you wouldn't have bought an M8 either ... The one and only reason for an M9 for me would be Bo-keh and depth of field. I would seriously regret to lose the sapphire glass of my M8.2 though, which results in practice to really noticeable more carefree handling of the camera. The photo below is with an M9, AAS 90 at 2.0, with a crop to show the bo-keh which I doubt can be attained with an M8. The detail in the shirt is nice btw, for such a fast snapshot Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/96093-who-hasnt-bought-an-m9-and-why/?do=findComment&comment=1032311'>More sharing options...
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gwelland Posted September 13, 2009 Share #102 Posted September 13, 2009 The photo below is with an M9, AAS 90 at 2.0, with a crop to show the bo-keh which I doubt can be attained with an M8. The detail in the shirt is nice btw, for such a fast snapshot Interesting shot - a Leica shot if ever there was one. As regards the bokeh - it would have been identical on the M8 (assuming 90 cron & crop). I guess your point is that you'd have used a 75/2 instead for the same FOV in which case yes the depth of field wide open would have been greater and potentially the bokeh different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lotw Posted September 13, 2009 Share #103 Posted September 13, 2009 Interesting shot - a Leica shot if ever there was one. As regards the bokeh - it would have been identical on the M8 (assuming 90 cron & crop). I guess your point is that you'd have used a 75/2 instead for the same FOV in which case yes the depth of field wide open would have been greater and potentially the bokeh different. Yes Graham, you're right. But not exactly... You can't get a 120 on an M9, the 75 is a 100 on an M8 etc., but the bo-keh / character of 75 and 90 is different. So, if I would ever buy an M9 I would keep my M8, because exchanging would mean losing 5 lenses and variety, especially in the macro field Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted September 13, 2009 Share #104 Posted September 13, 2009 I haven't, and i won't, because: - still that terrible main switch - still that structurally weak base plate with a tripod socket that is still not centered - back to the ridiculous 1m framelines to get rid of which we paid so dearly on M8 - back to the cheap monitor cover glass of the original M8 - ISO 80 with l e s s dynamic range - almost twice as many image pixels, but still the same 230K monitor of the M8 (vintage 2006) - missing frame counter and battery indicator - switching between M8 and M9 means putting on and removing IR-Cut filters and: - still no diopter correction - still no weather sealing - still no sensor cleaning - don't care for black or grey paint finish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhotoWebb.co.uk Posted September 13, 2009 Share #105 Posted September 13, 2009 I was ready to order two but wanted them for £4k each and my dealer said he wasn't prepared to do any deal on the M9 at all at the moment. He quoted me the RRP of £4850 and said he couldn't budge. I have therefore decided to keep using the M8 for a while. Daniel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 13, 2009 Share #106 Posted September 13, 2009 I was ready to order two but wanted them for £4k each and my dealer said he wasn't prepared to do any deal on the M9 at all at the moment. He quoted me the RRP of £4850 and said he couldn't budge. With the M9 in such short supply I'm surprised you even bothered asking for a deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 13, 2009 Share #107 Posted September 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the M9 in such short supply I'm surprised you even bothered asking for a deal. No harm in asking. If you don't ask you'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoutman Posted September 13, 2009 Share #108 Posted September 13, 2009 i definitely wait for a m9.2 or later as only less than one year go i had my m8 upgraded in solms with the sapphire glass, etc. and a nice logo. they even beleathered my grip with vulcanite. love the m8.2 and it is sufficient for my needs....but still reading the m9 forum section carefully i hope some m9 firmware parts will be ported to the m8 though. btw still can't understand why they have released the m9 without the sapphire glass. (then what was all the fuzz about when releasing the m8.2) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger1914 Posted September 13, 2009 Share #109 Posted September 13, 2009 I just disqualified myself from further posting in this thread! My dealer rang and said He had ONE M9! I had only casually remarked to him a week a go that I would be interested in the M9. He offered it to me! I know a number of other photogs slathering over it so I have no idea why he offered to me. I collect it in the morning. So much for sitting back and considering. I only live once and I'm not sure for how long now, so...............M9 That's great news. Good to hear that they have made it down here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
voightL Posted September 14, 2009 Share #110 Posted September 14, 2009 I have spent all my money on UV/IR filters! I have more than 50 of them (enough to buy a M9!) in all sort of sizes including uncommon ones like E19, E27, E34, A36, E40, E41, Summitar type, series5.5, series6. Sticking with my M8 for now to justify my filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 14, 2009 Share #111 Posted September 14, 2009 The photo below is with an M9, AAS 90 at 2.0, with a crop to show the bo-keh which I doubt can be attained with an M8. I'd love to know what you mean with this statement. I read the explanation you gave below about the different lenses twice, but I still don't quite understand. You mean the exact same framing of the image as you have it now with the M8 wouldn't give you that bokeh because you'd have to stand further away to get the same shot, and then the bokeh would be different? Hmmmm - this to me is another way of looking at the whole issue. I guess it stands to reason, but I have a feeling that it somehow introduces an unending spiral of "what-ifs" to every single shot you might ever take on whichever format camera... Regardless, I like the shot anyway. Edit: Looking at it again though after writing the above, I wonder if it might actually be better cropped in a bit closer to the cyclists? The detail that intrudes in the bottom left corner for instance is just distracting, though I like seeing down the street where the cyclist with their back turned is looking... So many variables. But interesting that maybe the cropped camera would have given a better composition? Or maybe not - that's the thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornbarn Posted September 14, 2009 Share #112 Posted September 14, 2009 I haven't as I'm still more than happy with my M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbirchenhall Posted September 14, 2009 Share #113 Posted September 14, 2009 I'll start. Me, and lack of funds. I have not read any of the responses to your question, but I find myself unhappy with the way Leica M-digital has panned out. I am sure it is partly my bad judgement but in the most part it reflects a company struggling to survive - but its not my role to support a struggling company. Leica have just wiped out 50% of my investment in a M8.2. It used to be the case buying Leica was an investment, but now there they are no different than all the others. Sorry guys I am not playing along; I feel used. I will try to destock at best I can. So many other options out there, including film M ! crb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lotw Posted September 14, 2009 Share #114 Posted September 14, 2009 Edit: Looking at it again though after writing the above, I wonder if it might actually be better cropped in a bit closer to the cyclists? The detail that intrudes in the bottom left corner for instance is just distracting, though I like seeing down the street where the cyclist with their back turned is looking... Hahaha, there you are: happy with your M8 again huh! However, the top left seems esthetically right to me: actually it has to be there. I'll come back to your first point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 14, 2009 Share #115 Posted September 14, 2009 Chris If you bought an M8 as an investment, you were very poorly advised. No digital camera is ever an investment - indeed, most film cameras are not investments. Would you rather that Leica DIDN'T make a better camera? I don't follow that argument at all. You seem to be suggesting that they should just carry on making the M8.x for ever. What if they'df called this new one an M8.3, instead? Would that have made a difference to your feelings towards the company? Did you complain when the M7 was brought out, such that your "investment" in your M6 was suddenly devalued? Has your M8 suddenly started recording 50% fewer or 50% worse shots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 14, 2009 Share #116 Posted September 14, 2009 Hahaha, there you are: happy with your M8 again huh! I'm not sure either way really. I've always been talking about full-frame this and that on the forum, but when I took some test portraits with the two cameras the other day, I preferred the intimacy of the M8 images. Then again, I still prefer the look of film over any of the digital cameras... Photography - there's not really any right or wrong is there? There are just infinite possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 14, 2009 Share #117 Posted September 14, 2009 Because here in the US there are none to buy... If Leica (US) does not ship, I cannot buy... P.S. I am keeping my M8.... Still a great camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted September 14, 2009 Share #118 Posted September 14, 2009 I'll wait, as I never buy first generation of anything. Be it Apple (whom I trust since years) or Leica, I always wait. I've bought my M8 new in Feb. 2008, late series, paid it 25 % under launch price tag, and it performed flawlessly. Since I've matched it with a 50 Lux, I'm still delving in the riches of that match for a long time. I'll buy an M9.2 next year, most certainly (even if I regret dearly the top display, which I found essential)… if my large format camera doesn't entice me to spend more in large format. Meanwhile, I'll promote the M9 like hell to any one of my moneyed friends who want to try a true rangefinder. I hope I'll find some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbirchenhall Posted September 14, 2009 Share #119 Posted September 14, 2009 Chris If you bought an M8 as an investment, you were very poorly advised. No digital camera is ever an investment - indeed, most film cameras are not investments. Would you rather that Leica DIDN'T make a better camera? I don't follow that argument at all. You seem to be suggesting that they should just carry on making the M8.x for ever. What if they'df called this new one an M8.3, instead? Would that have made a difference to your feelings towards the company? Did you complain when the M7 was brought out, such that your "investment" in your M6 was suddenly devalued? Has your M8 suddenly started recording 50% fewer or 50% worse shots? Andy, One option is to work with my M8.2, which I quite like, but in two years it may be worthless. Do I hold onto regardless or go to the numerous less expensive alternatives? Do I invest another £3k to upgrade to have that wiped out before I can take 3K images? You have been a stalwart for film and I admire that, and the M9 may be your turning point - I sincerley hope you are right. I read the original question as a personal one. Tell me the red dot as investment was never part of the game and I tell you are wrong. That has changed - read my comment again - in this regard Leica is not different than others - corollary why treat them differently? £5k buys an awful lot of kit, especially film kit! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted September 14, 2009 Share #120 Posted September 14, 2009 Edit: Looking at it again though after writing the above, I wonder if it might actually be better cropped in a bit closer to the cyclists? You mean as taken by an M8 then? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/96093-who-hasnt-bought-an-m9-and-why/?do=findComment&comment=1035026'>More sharing options...
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