wlaidlaw Posted September 9, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I downloaded Lightroom yesterday. I have been using it today on M8 DNG's. IMHO the end results are not quite as good as C1 (definition and colour subtlety) and it also seems a rather clumsy program to me. It does not seem to add a lot on to Bridge + ACR, after all it is just a semi-integrated version of these programs. It may be that I am very familiar with C1, Bridge, ACR and PS CS4 and I will come to love Lightroom. However I am not sure. It seems very similar to Aperture in concept. I do hope that Phase One will come out with a M9 profile, as I would like to stick to C1. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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yanidel Posted September 9, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 9, 2009 I downloaded Lightroom yesterday. I have been using it today on M8 DNG's. IMHO the end results are not quite as good as C1 (definition and colour subtlety) and it also seems a rather clumsy program to me. It does not seem to add a lot on to Bridge + ACR, after all it is just a semi-integrated version of these programs. It may be that I am very familiar with C1, Bridge, ACR and PS CS4 and I will come to love Lightroom. However I am not sure. It seems very similar to Aperture in concept. I do hope that Phase One will come out with a M9 profile, as I would like to stick to C1. Wilson I have been using it for a year with the M8 and love it. M9 files work the same and surprisingly it is very fast to open them. There is some learning curve but the file management is great as well as localized corrections. I never use photoshop, do everything in Lightroom. Too bad I paid for it at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 9, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 9, 2009 It would take a couple of weeks of hard work to really get the best out of Lightroom. It's not a simple program, although it's much more photo-oriented than Photoshop (Photoshop being more like a photo-art composition program, while Lightroom more emulates an old darkroom.) I've been using Lightroom for a couple of years and hardly ever go to Photoshop anymore. Luminous Landscape has tutorials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted September 9, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 9, 2009 Hi Wilson, I dislike LR too and I think I'm going to buy C1 Pro. But as long as I do not have an M nine... No rush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efftee Posted September 9, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 9, 2009 I guess that C1 benefited from its corroboration with Leica to render the DNG images better. Now that its Adobe, perhaps a minor upgrade to LR, and hopefully PS and ACR, would deliver the similar standards with M9 DNGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted September 9, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 9, 2009 I've been working with S2 and M9 files for the past month in LR 2.4 and am really loving it. I used C1 exclusively for the last three years, but I'm getting better results in LR. The asset management is great and the non-destructive tools are a quantum leap from C1 (like adjustment brush and unlimited history states). David PS - Check my blog tomorrow for an in-depth M9 piece. The link is in my sig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted September 9, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think that all the RAW conversion programs I have used up through the years have been sh'*t and bu''ocks. yet another RAW converter is going to mean more frustrations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gismoto Posted September 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 9, 2009 A long and ongoing discussion! and really it seems a question of taste and getting used to programs. See also http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/93526-capture-one-vs-lightroom.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted September 9, 2009 I've been working with S2 and M9 files for the past month in LR 2.4 and am really loving it. I used C1 exclusively for the last three years, but I'm getting better results in LR. The asset management is great and the non-destructive tools are a quantum leap from C1 (like adjustment brush and unlimited history states). David PS - Check my blog tomorrow for an in-depth M9 piece. The link is in my sig. David, That is very good to hear. When like me you get over the age of 60, learning yet another new program is a real heave. Last year's task was Dreamweaver - looks like this year's is Lightroom. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl E Posted September 10, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 10, 2009 Can anyone offer any advice on Moire removal in Lightroom vs Capture One? I have encountered some quite strong Moire in some of my M8 files, and I currently use the "cheap" version of C1, without the Moire removal option. I am considering either upgrading to the full version of C1 or changing over to Lightroom. Does Lightroom offer Moire removal as a feature or are there (free?) plugins that I could download? Best regards, Carl E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted September 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 10, 2009 I've been working with S2 and M9 files for the past month in LR 2.4 and am really loving it. I used C1 exclusively for the last three years, but I'm getting better results in LR. The asset management is great and the non-destructive tools are a quantum leap from C1 (like adjustment brush and unlimited history states). David I've been using Lightroom to convert DNGs into TIFFs ever since it came out about two and a half years ago, for both M8 and DMR files. I find it much more user-friendly than C1, which I was using earlier, and don't find much difference in the final image quality between the two. Version 2.4 is a great improvement over earlier versions as far as the power of its image manipulation tools is concerned. Maybe it's a case of practice makes perfect... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted September 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 10, 2009 A long and ongoing discussion! and really it seems a question of taste and getting used to programs. See also http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/93526-capture-one-vs-lightroom.html Not really. I can assure you C1 renders important details LR doesn't even see. Granted, LR interface is far better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffwros Posted September 10, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 10, 2009 I loved the files I got from C1 but have been using LR exclusively the past 12 months or so because I need a faster workflow to cull through & edit weddings. C1 & I never really clicked when it came to streamlining the editing process. I, too, hope that the collaboration will result in similarly excellent C1 quality files in LR. We'll see. For moire you might select the image(s) in question and render the preview to 1:1 (Library -> Previews -> Render 1:1 Previews) to see if this removes the issue. Anytime I see it in a preview this solves it for me. If you've already done this and still see the moire then I will defer to another who may have better troubleshooting advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelfocus Posted September 10, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 10, 2009 Can anyone offer any advice on Moire removal in Lightroom vs Capture One? I have encountered some quite strong Moire in some of my M8 files, and I currently use the "cheap" version of C1, without the Moire removal option. I am considering either upgrading to the full version of C1 or changing over to Lightroom. Does Lightroom offer Moire removal as a feature or are there (free?) plugins that I could download? LR doesn't have a way to remove moire that I can see. The M9 is supposed to remove it from the DNG within the camera so in theory it shouldn't be a problem there. However, if you are using an M8 with LR then you might need to round-trip to Photoshop to change the colour mode to Lab and apply some 'Average' blur etc. It can be a bit tricky sometimes. Here's a good tutorial Removing Moire Effectively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl E Posted September 11, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 11, 2009 LR doesn't have a way to remove moire that I can see. The M9 is supposed to remove it from the DNG within the camera so in theory it shouldn't be a problem there. However, if you are using an M8 with LR then you might need to round-trip to Photoshop to change the colour mode to Lab and apply some 'Average' blur etc. It can be a bit tricky sometimes. Here's a good tutorial Removing Moire Effectively Thanks for the tip. I downloaded the LR trial version yesterday and at first glance it seemed that LR does a better job of removing moire out of the box than does C1, but as you point out there is no way for the user to influence the moire correction in LR. Best regards Carl E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted September 11, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 11, 2009 My finding is that skin tones in Lightroom are consistently too magenta. Checking the values of Y and M in CMYK show M consistently (much) higher than Y for caucasian skin. There is usually a sunburn look. I find the profiles in C1 and Iridient Raw Developer better, but I like the workflow and printing in LR. So I have made profiles for LR (and ACR) using Adobe's DNG Profile Editor. But I still find myself developing the RAW files with WB and black point in C! and then going to CS4 or LR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 11, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 11, 2009 In my opinion, the raw processor in C1 is better than the one in Lightroom (or an any other Adobe products, as they all use ARC). But I find the workflow of Lightroom so much better that it is my prefered tool. If you find Lightroom a bit unfamiliar I would recommend having a look at Luminous Landscapes guide to Lightroom: http://store.luminous-landscape.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=25 If you are into organizing and archiving your pictures, they also have a tutorial named "Where the #%*! are my Pictures?" which has some useful hints even if one thought one knew what there is to to know about archiving. The Lightroom guide is the one if you want to get the most out of your Lightroom though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-IIIf Posted September 11, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 11, 2009 Wilson, I had the same feeling when I started using LightRoom for my M8 files. I wondered what it offered me that Bridge didn't already provide. But on the advice of others here I persevered with it and can now say I clearly prefer it to Bridge for its superior cataloguing strengths. I do 90% of my edits now in LightRoom, I seldom need to open the files in PhotoShop. I've now imported all my photos since the year dot into LightRoom and use if for my whole library. I do admit it is not very user-friendly and you do have to read the dialogue boxes very carefully when you are importing and exporting files. There are many permutations and it's easy to choose the wrong one accidently and wonder where you files are. Once you overcome this it is a great app. Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted September 11, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 11, 2009 It's the same as the discussions I had years ago around which word processor was the best- I was a WordPerfect user - others swore by Word. I've usually found that the best program is the one you're used to! I swear by LR - but I never got on with C1 - for others it's the other way round. HOWEVER - I do believe that the asset management side of LR + features like gradient filter and localised correction really do give it an edge and that it's worth looking at seriously... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share #20 Posted September 11, 2009 I have been playing again yesterday with my trial version of Lightroom. I sincerely hope that it handles M9 files better than I have been able to get it to do M8 ones. C1 consistently gets flesh tones and most other colours 99% right without any tweaking, as Archi4 notes above. I am having to do a lot of tweaking on individual images to get colours right on Lightroom. This means it is a lot more work for say a batch of 250 DNG's. I have the same problem with my Ricoh DNG's from my GX200. I cannot get any processor to batch process satisfactorily to TIFF's without having to tweak the profile individually. I have been leaning on Jakub of Phase One to do Ricoh Profiles for C1. That is the nice thing about Phase One. It is such a small company that you can get to know some of the people personally. I remember in the early life of the M8, there was a thread on moiré. Again the conclusion people came to was that C1 handled moiré best of all the commonly used processors. Without an anti-aliasing filter, moiré is always going to be an issue. I will reserve final judgement until my M9 arrives. The good news rumour is that there will be an M9 profile in the next release of C1 for those like me, for whom use of C1 is now second nature. It would be like Xmas for me if the next release had M9 and GX200 profiles. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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