Digitom Posted March 15, 2010 Share #181 Posted March 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... In what we are obliged to refer to on the web as "UK English" the expression "Made in Germany" means that every single component was actually made from scratch in Germany and those parts were then assembled in Germany. ... That is not correct. It is a dream! I know the difference between "assebled in" and "made in". But: You cannot expect that every component in a complex device is made completely in one country. This is definitely not possible! Not in the US, not in Asia, not in Europe, nowhere! Sure I have not to explain what the word "made in" means to native english people. Most important is the difference if there is standing on the camera "Leica Germany" or "Made in Germany". Just look at the X1 and you can see it. Finally I cannot understand the whole discussion. PS: also the M9 is partially assembled (made) in Portugal. But the finish is in Solms, the checking of the components, the calibration etc.pp. Who will say that the M9 is not a camera really "made in Germany" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rosuna Posted March 15, 2010 Share #182 Posted March 15, 2010 ...and Leica Camera AG is soon to open a technologically advanced plant in Shanghai. ...is that true? I didn't have any news about that new plant in China! Will Leica produce cameras or camera components in a new plant in China? It would be a great because it would mean to get access to important electronic components, manufacturing technologies and lower costs! ... and production into a US dollar area... I am not sure, but the X1 seems to have something to do with Sanyo, manufacturer of the compact cameras of many brands, including many Panasonics. Japanese are fans of German cameras... and orchestras. Now I am listening the 1986 Tokio concert of the Muncher Philarmoniker and Sergiu Celibidache (Fifth of Bruckner). There are some natural "connection" between Japan and Germany. I would say mutual admiration and respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitom Posted March 15, 2010 Share #183 Posted March 15, 2010 ...The glasswork is German made, final assembly, calibrations to spec's and quality control done in Germany (Solms?). All electronic inner works & optical electric-mechanic done in Japan, pre-assembled and shipped to Germany. ... Where is your information from? Until you cannot give any reliable information, I say frankly that is nonsense, because it is speculation! ... Leica GeoSystems & Leica MicroSystem operates a very state of the art OEM plant in Xiamen, and Leica Camera AG is soon to open a technologically advanced plant in Shanghai....so the trend is indicative that Leica will be made in China. So many rumors you tell, but you do not say where your information is from! There is Leica Microsystems in Shanghai, but that has nothing to do with Leica Camera! These are 2 different companies! By the way: do you really believe that any Japanese "fan" of Leica, would buy a Leica "made in China"? Do not think they are so stupid!! And in fact these jaanese and korean Fans like mostly the older analog cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted June 15, 2010 Share #184 Posted June 15, 2010 My camera shop told me it's a Kodak sensor. I affirmed this somewhere online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted June 16, 2010 Share #185 Posted June 16, 2010 From what I understand it's the same sensor in the nikon d300s - made by sony. Which if true (as I believe it to be) would mean your camera shop is not particularly in the know... or keeping up. OTOH, i could be completely mistaken - and fine with being corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbutt Posted June 16, 2010 Share #186 Posted June 16, 2010 I've always suspected it's Samsung ... Howard. The closest thing to the X1 is the soon-to-be-announced Samsung NX10 which also sports a 1.5x 12MP CMOS. The product manager who is in charge for the X1 also worked for Panasonic (written in LFI, issue 04/10). They assumed that the sensor they have choosen is the Sony APS-C, also found in Nikon D90 or D300s. But if that one is true I wonder why the X1 has such a slow AF compared to the Nikons: If the chip has the same frame rate - therefore should give the same AF speed. Or do we find the bottleneck in the internal signal processing? Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippa Posted June 16, 2010 Share #187 Posted June 16, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) DPReview made it clear that the sensor was the same as that in the Nikon D90 and then showed lab results that were similar. Do a Google Search and you'll see questions about the D90 focusing speed when in live view and ONLY using contrast detect. Perhaps not so different from our X1:( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 16, 2010 Share #188 Posted June 16, 2010 By the way: do you really believe that any Japanese "fan" of Leica, would buy a Leica "made in China"? Do not think they are so stupid!! ? I would be amazed if most of the X1's components weren't made in China. The camera is assembled and finished in Germany however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted June 16, 2010 Share #189 Posted June 16, 2010 I feel cheated. I wanted a camera made in Germany, this is why I bought the X1. I mean all of it has to be made in Germany, including - metal for the body, raw ore from which metal is extracted, all the chemicals that go in the plastics (including all hydrocarbons), leather strap should come from German cow skin. The paper on which the manual is printed should come from trees that are in Germany. I will also not accept any software (including Lightroom) that is not developed in Germany. Bad...bad Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted June 16, 2010 Share #190 Posted June 16, 2010 I feel cheated. I wanted a camera made in Germany, this is why I bought the X1. I mean all of it has to be made in Germany, including - metal for the body, raw ore from which metal is extracted, all the chemicals that go in the plastics (including all hydrocarbons), leather strap should come from German cow skin. The paper on which the manual is printed should come from trees that are in Germany. I will also not accept any software (including Lightroom) that is not developed in Germany. Bad...bad Leica. And a german photographer they shall deliver with the camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko101 Posted June 17, 2010 Share #191 Posted June 17, 2010 I feel cheated. I wanted a camera made in Germany, this is why I bought the X1. I mean all of it has to be made in Germany, including - metal for the body, raw ore from which metal is extracted, all the chemicals that go in the plastics (including all hydrocarbons), leather strap should come from German cow skin. The paper on which the manual is printed should come from trees that are in Germany. I will also not accept any software (including Lightroom) that is not developed in Germany. Bad...bad Leica. Methinks you'll be waiting a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted June 17, 2010 Share #192 Posted June 17, 2010 I feel cheated. I wanted a camera made in Germany, this is why I bought the X1. I mean all of it has to be made in Germany, including - metal for the body, raw ore from which metal is extracted, all the chemicals that go in the plastics (including all hydrocarbons), leather strap should come from German cow skin. The paper on which the manual is printed should come from trees that are in Germany. I will also not accept any software (including Lightroom) that is not developed in Germany. Bad...bad Leica. I'm with you!! It should come packed with some sausages and a serving of apple strudel also! Damn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nei1 Posted June 17, 2010 Share #193 Posted June 17, 2010 The germans have allowed themselves to "assemble" a camera that (dont own one,but apparently)doesnt focus very well.A leica with "made in china"proudly stamped on it that focussed well would be mine right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted June 17, 2010 Share #194 Posted June 17, 2010 The germans have allowed themselves to "assemble" a camera that (dont own one,but apparently)doesnt focus very well.A leica with "made in china"proudly stamped on it that focussed well would be mine right now. How can you make that judgement when you don't even own it? It is funny how people have an opinion about things they don't know about. The X1 I own (Made in Germany) focuses very well and beats the pants off of many-a-DSLR. The very fact that pro review sites like DPReview have used Nikon D300s for comparing the X1's RAW results should tell you something about this "not made in China" camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 17, 2010 Share #195 Posted June 17, 2010 NIn what we are obliged to refer to on the web as "UK English" the expression "Made in Germany" means that every single component was actually made from scratch in Germany and those parts were then assembled in Germany. That just isn't true, Pete. The CM had "Made in Germany"on it. That was made in the Far East and final assembled in Germany. The M8 ditto (Portugal and Germany) The M9 ditto (P & G) Parts for both the above are made in the US, and elsewhere. Probably the M7 and MP. Ditto. My BMW is "Made in Germany", but I bet that half the parts were sourced from elsewhere. VW Eos's. Dittto. (Unless that's got "Made in Spain" on it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted June 17, 2010 Share #196 Posted June 17, 2010 The germans have allowed themselves to "assemble" a camera that (dont own one,but apparently)doesnt focus very well.A leica with "made in china"proudly stamped on it that focussed well would be mine right now. Your loss.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted June 17, 2010 Share #197 Posted June 17, 2010 Not quite. ...In what we are obliged to refer to on the web as "UK English" the expression "Made in Germany" means that every single component was actually made from scratch in Germany and those parts were then assembled in Germany. I absolutely agree with Andy. With the prevalence of WTO, FTAs, and Contract manufacturing business models, yours is an archaic definition of "Made in...". A manufacturer can chose to source all components from a single market, but thats a choice rather than what defines "Made in".... Welcome to the 21st century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted June 18, 2010 Share #198 Posted June 18, 2010 So many posts in this thread. Simply hilarious... The sensor is from Sony and yes, identical to to one used in the Nikon D300s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nei1 Posted June 18, 2010 Share #199 Posted June 18, 2010 Your loss.... Dan.....believe it or not I saw the X1 in the flesh for the first time last week in a closed shop window here in the south of spain.I have to say it looks stunning.I had been looking forward to the cameras release for some time ,thinking it to be ,at last,my way in to digital but the constant reports of its slowness put me off as 1500 euros is a great deal of money to me and would involve probably selling one of my film leicas. My experience is with leica film cameras,25years,and though the cameras response is instant it does have to be pre-prepared if you like with exposure settings and focus to get the photo you want.Ive not seen a direct comparison of using a film leica against the X1.If they are comparable then youre comment of "your loss"would indeed ring true.Im going to try and get back to the shop window when the door is open some time next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 18, 2010 Share #200 Posted June 18, 2010 The germans have allowed themselves to "assemble" a camera that (dont own one,but apparently)doesnt focus very well.A leica with "made in china"proudly stamped on it that focussed well would be mine right now. You're probably behind the curve a ways on this one. If you noted the introduction of three (count 'em) breakthrough designs by Leica on 9/9/09, you might have wondered how a small company can do all of that at once. What I suspect is that the X1 is one corner of a large project that will continue to introduce new breakthroughs, and like life itself, you have to get on that rollercoaster and just hang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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