lct Posted September 10, 2009 Share #81 Posted September 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...28 Summicron at F/2, ISO 800: Your reds look oversatured by a fair margin on my monitor. Is it me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 10, 2009 Posted September 10, 2009 Hi lct, Take a look here I have M9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
henning Posted September 10, 2009 Share #82 Posted September 10, 2009 this is offensive, it's preferable if you stay away from making such comments. there's nothing to be upset about. photography can't hide anything. if the images show noise - it's there. i don't know about electronics, and photography does not require one to have such knowledge - otherwise we would all have our own DIY DRFs. if it's not firmware - which i assume to be the only ugradable path used by the manufacturers - may be there's more trouble in spending lots of money and then spending lots of time cleaning in PS. Do you have plenty of time at hand to fiddle with your photos? or, should i assume that you buy slightly dirty clothes in the market and then wash it before wearing those the first time? The sensor noise is what it is. Leica allows you the choice of getting rid of noise or keeping all the detail. For colour shots maybe keep the ISO down a bit and post process. For B&W, just convert and keep the detail. That'd be my preference. Firmware updates aren't really going to make things better. If the equation: Grain or Noise size/Dollar or Euro doesn't equal Buy, don't Buy. It's really quite simple. There are people for whom the result will lead to: Buy and there clearly are people (most people in the world) for whom the result will be: Don't Buy. Some of the people in the latter group don't buy because they say they are waiting for this or that to improve; maybe it will or maybe it won't and maybe they are fooling themselves but those people will definitely not make any pictures with an M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmanley Posted September 10, 2009 Share #83 Posted September 10, 2009 Do you have plenty of time at hand to fiddle with your photos? or, should i assume that you buy slightly dirty clothes in the market and then wash it before wearing those the first time? Well, I'm not sure exactly what this has to do with an M9, but I buy used clothes from Goodwill and Salvation Army all the time. I do wash them before wearing. I usually find designer brands and there's no way I would pay the original price. Back on topic - I spend much, much less time fiddling with my M8 photos in LR and PSCS3 than I do with any file from Canon. Tina Tina Manley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted September 10, 2009 Share #84 Posted September 10, 2009 If anything, it looks like your monitor is too brightly calibrated, KM-25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica007 Posted September 10, 2009 Share #85 Posted September 10, 2009 If the equation: Grain or Noise size/Dollar or Euro doesn't equal Buy, don't Buy. It's really quite simple. There are people for whom the result will lead to: Buy and there clearly are people (most people in the world) for whom the result will be: Don't Buy. Some of the people in the latter group don't buy because they say they are waiting for this or that to improve; maybe it will or maybe it won't and maybe they are fooling themselves but those people will definitely not make any pictures with an M9. it's just not about noise. things are not final yet, we haven't seen enough samples, and people have bad memories and concerns from the early M8, that's what gets reflected here. those of us who are holding our analogue cameras [MP in my case] and were anxiously waiting for M9, need know that it's a foolproof camera [not 'fooling ourselves' in doing so], allowing us to join the Leica digital world, no longer via scanned negatives. and one doesn't require your advice (and definitive prediction) to make that transition and a decision to purchase. leave it to me/us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted September 10, 2009 Share #86 Posted September 10, 2009 KM-25, I need to put on my shades to look at the reds in the photo you've posted. I, too, think that the images displayed look great ... not flat or digital to my eyes. Kurt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted September 10, 2009 Share #87 Posted September 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the posts. Did you notice any loss of DR with the ISO 80? Leica claims this is the case as compared to ISO 160. Can you do some ISO 80 and 160 comparisons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted September 10, 2009 Share #88 Posted September 10, 2009 The last ones look pretty good and clean. but the first shot of the singer has very weird yellow tint. WB problem? I don't think so. I think it's a weak blue channel under tungsten lighting. Happens on all digital cameras including on the M8. I've got an example of the phenomenon on my M8 posted here; I'm also working on a Photoshop treatment which minimizes the effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted September 10, 2009 Share #89 Posted September 10, 2009 I think I know what KM-25 means though his example is a bit over the top. These files do need a slide like treatment to them to make them not so digitally. A much longer discussion than I have time for. Typical shot of a not so typical Leica salesman (Mark at Glazers). ISO 1250, 35 cron, wide open. Not bad imo. This camera is what it is. Why people want to make it more than a digital M is beyond me. A DSLR does it's thing, medium format it's own thing, and so on. Full frame is all I care about and that it is well built (it feels it). A bit higher iso is a bonus but not a deal breaker for me. I actually worry about the files being too clean! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95931-i-have-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1026253'>More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 10, 2009 Share #90 Posted September 10, 2009 Hmm strange comment - KM are you sure your monitor is not out of calibration - to me most his images look very good - exposure is very accurate... maybe just a matter of taste of course - but I do not see any "flatness" They look spot on to me too, but still have that digital tonality that IMO is not a patch on film. However, thats to be expected because this is a digital camera! I daresay that those with wizardry I do not possess can get more of a traditional curve to the images rather than that Tmax 100 look where middle greys seem to have poor separation. Now thats a film I cannot stand... Seems like the M9 has done pretty well all things considered. Who in their right mind was expecting D3X or 5D MkII like high ISO performance? Still, if it copes with 800 very well and 1250 is pretty OK in B&W, then my needs are met. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 10, 2009 Share #91 Posted September 10, 2009 M9 needs a firmware update... You really, really don't know much about electronics, do you? All firmware would do would be to kick in some processing, sensor noise would still be there. Just drop it into Photoshop if you don't like the noise. I'm beginning to think you are upset because you can't afford the camera. Tree pretty, fire bad? Um, I hate to tell you this, but... Firmware updates regularly decrease noise In raw files, in JPEGs. Leica / Jenoptik / whoever is programming this thing can definitely make improvements in noise from the sensor. Look at the beta files on dPreview. They're definitely noisier than the production files shown here. And the M8 original and the DMR both benefitted from noise reduction in the firmware over the years. So have almost all my Canons and Nikons. We're talking apparent noise here. The Nikons do what they do so well, in part, by removing noise from the sensor as they write the file. So while I appreciate your support of the M9, you really should check your facts before you jump on people. I suspect we'll see some new noise and ISO options for the M9 before long in firmware as Leica really works to make the best files possible from the camera. Another thing I want to see is C1 optimized for the M9 DNGs, since it has the best detail / noise processing now for the M8 I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true for the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittyphoto Posted September 10, 2009 Share #92 Posted September 10, 2009 100% agree Jamie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikefats Posted September 10, 2009 Share #93 Posted September 10, 2009 That step in the top plate is a curiosity and perhaps a bit clumsy - A redundant throwback to the position of the film rewind?. The M8 resolves this better IMHO. Graeme My initial reaction was the same, but I remember thinking that the M8 looked off-balance/lopsided when I received it. I think that the cutoff balances the top plate visually again. The other real quibble I have with the design of the M8 is the massive directional input pad in the back. I believe that it feels quite a bit thicker in the hand than an M6 does because of it - it's located right where the palm rests. Do people even use that rotating ring? Too bad the rear panel was left untouched on the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toke Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share #94 Posted September 10, 2009 iso 80 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95931-i-have-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1027216'>More sharing options...
toke Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share #95 Posted September 10, 2009 iso 400 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95931-i-have-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1027706'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 10, 2009 Share #96 Posted September 10, 2009 What lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toke Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share #97 Posted September 10, 2009 iso 320 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95931-i-have-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1027721'>More sharing options...
toke Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share #98 Posted September 10, 2009 *jamie 50mm 1.4 asph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted September 10, 2009 Share #99 Posted September 10, 2009 @Toke Thanks for the images! One thing: The native sensitivity from the M9 is still 160ASA so 80ASA actually has lower IQ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 10, 2009 Share #100 Posted September 10, 2009 *jamie 50mm 1.4 asph Thanks! Thought it might be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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