Your 9/9/9 Questions

[lct]

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OK you're right so no shutter lag and slow operation then.

[nhabedi]

OK you're right so no shutter lag and slow operation then.

 

I never felt that my M8.2 (or my M4-P for that matter) operated "slowly". True, with a "modern" dSLR you can take half a dozen shots per second of each subject you're aiming the lens at and I've seen lots of wanna-be pros who routinely do that whenever they press the button. I always found that annoying and never wanted to do it, though, and Leica never built cameras for machine-gun shooters.

[lct]

...Leica never built cameras for machine-gun shooters.

Sure but between a machine gun and 2 fps there is some room to say the least. Even my old Digilux 1 could do 3 fps 5 years ago. Now craming a FF sensor in a small body must be quite difficult i guess. I was just reacting to a post reading to the effect that the M9 is "presumably" even better than the M8 as far as shutter lag. I felt such a presumption somewhat err. presumptuous that's all.

[UliWer]

Sure but between a machine gun and 2 fps there is some room to say the least. Even my old Digilux 1 could do 3 fps 5 years ago. Now craming a FF sensor in a small body must be quite difficult i guess. I was just reacting to a post reading to the effect that the M9 is "presumably" even better than the M8 as far as shutter lag. I felt such a presumption somewhat err. presumptuous that's all.

 

I am glad, that there still is some lag between the shots on continous mode. Quintuple exposures of exactly the same moment don't seem very helpful. And a motion-picture is something else than a photo.

[lct]

I am glad, that there still is some lag between the shots on continous mode. Quintuple exposures of exactly the same moment don't seem very helpful. And a motion-picture is something else than a photo.

Hardly the same moment in my experience. Many things may occur in one second and i'm not as fast as HCB to catch the "decisive moment" i'm afraid.

[SJP]

How many pics per second would the hard crank (manual rewind) version that everyone was clammering about take? About 1 per second, I guess.

 

2 fps is more than fast enough for a lot of work. If you have zero shutter lag just press the shutter when something worth taking comes your way, this is called the decisive moment.

[BobDyl]

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Two-part question:

 

What is the recommended way to use IR cut filters if one intends to use lenses on both an M8 and M9? Is it reasonable to leave them on the lenses or will image/color quality be unduly degraded when on the M9?

 

Thank you for taking this on...

[chuckw]

Ditto many of the previous questions however my additional question is: Will Leica make any kind of factory rebate available on the M9 for those who have very recently purchased a new M8.2?

[bill]

Ditto many of the previous questions however my additional question is: Will Leica make any kind of factory rebate available on the M9 for those who have very recently purchased a new M8.2?

 

Why on Earth should they??? I really cannot understand this sort of mentality - you pay your money and you take your choice. What do you expect them to do - "oh, and we have a new camera coming out soon so I suggest you don't buy this one now".

 

Come on.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[lct]

...If you have zero shutter lag just press the shutter when something worth taking comes your way, this is called the decisive moment.

How easy it sounds! I'll try to follow your advice next time but i've made thousands of attempts already so after 30+ years of efforts i'm afraid it's too late for me halas.

[giordano]

If you have zero shutter lag just press the shutter when something worth taking comes your way, this is called the decisive moment.

 

 

Even if the camera has zero lag - which it doesn't - there's also the delay between the actual occurrence of the decisive moment and the time it permeates to your consciousness, and further delay while you decide whether and when to press the button, and yet more between the decision and your finger actually starting to move.

 

So for success you have to see the decisive moment coming and start the process of moving your finger the amount of time before you actually become aware of its happening. At least chimping makes it a great deal easier and cheaper to practice this kind of thing.

 

As a further complication, I get the impression from recent psychological work that when you decide to move a limb, the nerve impulse is transmitted from the brain an instant before you are conscious of making the decision.

[SJP]

 

Even if the camera has zero lag - which it doesn't - there's also the delay between the actual occurrence of the decisive moment and the time it permeates to your consciousness, and further delay while you decide whether and when to press the button, and yet more between the decision and your finger actually starting to move.

 

So for success you have to see the decisive moment coming and start the process of moving your finger the amount of time before you actually become aware of its happening. At least chimping makes it a great deal easier and cheaper to practice this kind of thing.

 

As a further complication, I get the impression from recent psychological work that when you decide to move a limb, the nerve impulse is transmitted from the brain an instant before you are conscious of making the decision.

Yep, Leica has created the perfect camera, so now they should start improving my brain & reflexes. New firmware would be a good place to start

[stunsworth]

So for success you have to see the decisive moment coming and start the process of moving your finger the amount of time before you actually become aware of its happening.

 

Which is more or less what the great photographers do/did.

[chuckw]

Why on Earth should they??? I really cannot understand this sort of mentality - you pay your money and you take your choice. What do you expect them to do - "oh, and we have a new camera coming out soon so I suggest you don't buy this one now".

 

Come on.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

 

Actually, in many ways I agree with you. I certainly don't expect any company to say we have a new product coming out so you may not want to buy the current model. On the other hand many companies, specially software companies, as a gesture of good will will provide discounts to people who have purchased the product during some short period prior to the new release. So my question regarding a rebate does not come out of thin air.

Chuck

[yanidel]

 

Even if the camera has zero lag - which it doesn't - there's also the delay between the actual occurrence of the decisive moment and the time it permeates to your consciousness, and further delay while you decide whether and when to press the button, and yet more between the decision and your finger actually starting to move.

 

So for success you have to see the decisive moment coming and start the process of moving your finger the amount of time before you actually become aware of its happening. At least chimping makes it a great deal easier and cheaper to practice this kind of thing.

 

As a further complication, I get the impression from recent psychological work that when you decide to move a limb, the nerve impulse is transmitted from the brain an instant before you are conscious of making the decision.

Well stated, fully agree. I never felt my M8 had any shutter lag, but I did perceive that what is lagging or reacting too early most of the time is my mind.