The Digital Solution for R mount lenses

[Riley]

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I was not saying that the R lenses can be or shall be used on something like the X1, Ken. My pioint is, now that Leica has got panasonic's best man perhaps he would build something based on that. It won't be a replacement to a R10 but probably will open up some oppotunities to use the old junkies.

 

Cheers,

 

Mokunaka has a myriad of patents behind him,

but the chief designer of L1 and LC1 was Makoto Nakamura

 

i think its safe to say that, whoever is in control out there at Panasonic, is a photographer. I dont credit them with having hit the mark yet, but theyve been closer to making photographers cameras as anyone else out there...

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[ns_ng]

A M digital camera with live view, R-to-M adapter and an optional electronic viewfinder... does the same.

 

A more specific solution would be even less costly. Consider the price of the M9, replace the viewfinder-rangefinder by an electronic viewfinder... 12.000 euros?

 

Leica needs something different and with future possibilities... not a mere "solution" for R lenses at any cost (for the company). The only riskless "solution" is a M camera with live view and an adapter.

 

 

Hi,

 

I have a Novoflex R-M adaptor and used this to mount the 19mm-R (2nd version) onto the M9. From the lens database, I selected the WATE @18mm. There is still a bit of cyan drift at the corners. See this thread,

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/98878-solution-r-users-2.html. Liveview is an interesting solution. I have a R8/DMR, but was considering getting a 5DMII, but unfortunately, the 19mm-R has issue with mirror clearance.

 

N.S. Ng

[GreyCoupe]

I am in on the deposit idea.

 

Are you listening, Leica? We are trying to by a product from you...

[lieberdavid]

Hi Everyone,

 

There are many thousands of R users. I should think that 90% of them would be serious candidates for buying an R 10. Due to the huge cost of buying into the S system, I guess that 90% of these same R users are NOT candidates to buy into this new system. So two questions come immediately to mind:

 

1. Where are the customers for the S system to come from? Surely, there will be some, but enough to make the new system profitable?

 

2. What are the R users going to do? Some are selling out and switching to another manufacturer; some are keeping the lenses and putting them on another maker's camera body. These are both compromises, and to me would lead to disappointment. The other alternative is to keep what you have and continue to get top quality results with film. This is what I am doing. The only question is how long will film and processing be readily available?

 

I am among the many R users who can not possibly afford the new S system; I am also among the many R users who will jump at an R 10. It seems to me that there are a great many of us. Leica is surely aware of all this. Will Leica do anything to address this situation?

 

Cheers!

[rick_dykstra]

Cue the M10. Full frame CMOS sensor, with live view enabling focus with R lenses. No mirror, so easier to use than a 5d Mk II.

 

But how could the M sensor's offset micro-lenses cope with the high incidence angles of R lenses?

[andybarton]

But what R user wants to have to use Live View to use his/her camera?

[wildlightphoto]

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But what R user wants to have to use Live View to use his/her camera?

 

I'll use whatever is responsive and accurate.

[andybarton]

That's fine if you are using a tripod, but for everyday use?

[Riley]

That's fine if you are using a tripod, but for everyday use?

 

i think people have found it has its uses

especially if your about MF and you can zoom it

[andybarton]

I understand that, but what if you are using, say, a 90mm? Would you want to have to hold that out at arms length to use a Live View screen? How about a 135, or a 250?

 

Or even a 28?

 

It just doesn't seem to make much sense to me. For Doug, out in the lakes, in a hide with the birds, then, yes, I can see how it would work. But not for everyday use.

[Riley]

I understand that, but what if you are using, say, a 90mm? Would you want to have to hold that out at arms length to use a Live View screen? How about a 135, or a 250?

 

Or even a 28?

 

It just doesn't seem to make much sense to me. For Doug, out in the lakes, in a hide with the birds, then, yes, I can see how it would work. But not for everyday use.

 

its not something i would want to use all the time, but there are times when it is the best option, or it contributes. For instance like Doug for critical focus on a tripod, set it up for focus, and turn it off and use the OVF, Same in a studio setting. Or for people like me, my E3 on a 15ft pole, LCD folded down so I can see the frame (sorta ), take a shot into a house rather than look up at it. Or just to get an interesting angle with some imagination.

 

 

E3 100th sec, F4.5, ISO100, 11mm, full auto

E3, 1/200 , F9, ISO100, 9mm full auto

 

its just another knife in the drawer, but like I say, it has its uses, and it can make a difference. At first I thought I would never use it either but now I wouldnt be without it, and find E3's iteration with folding LCD indispensable.

[andybarton]

If it's an M10 solution, with Live View, then it's the ONLY knife in the drawer for R users, as the optical viewfinder would be useless.

 

IMHO, the only solution for R users that is going to satisfy all R users, is for Leica to build an R10 (or whatever they want to call it). Stefan Daniels said that they had dropped the idea completely, back in June.

 

Now, Leica have been known to change their minds.... but given their commitment to the R series over the years, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Riley]

they wont do an EVF, I agree with that. EVF are getting a lot better, but its not there quite yet, even though pretty much all video is shot with EVF of one sort or another..

 

Liveview is a rather different animal

 

If I were them and Im not,

Id be thinking about an R9 mirrorbox and an M9 gizzards as a film back. Since the componentry largely exists, the need and market are there albeit in low quantities. That isnt hard to conceive or do, hell given the bits I could do that prototype in a week, and Im stumped why they dont do it, even as a contracted job.

 

The volume would support M9 in component numbers and assist those costings.

[berndr]

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Id be thinking about an R9 mirrorbox and an M9 gizzards as a film back.

 

The R9 mirrorbox is not enough. You have to couple the lenses aperture to the body and the light measurements. That's the main problem. The only solution I see is an EVF, maybe as a separate sensormodule. A electronical Visoflex for R lenses can be a solution a new body another.

 

Kind regards,

Bernd.

[Riley]

I think if some tin pot operation in Hong Kong can make adapters for R to EOS that records the aperture and adjusts exposure for under $100, some method like coded lenses could be applied to R mounts.

[lct]

I think if some tin pot operation in Hong Kong can make adapters for R to EOS that records the aperture and adjusts exposure for under $100, some method like coded lenses could be applied to R mounts.

Would not allow for full aperture metering though.

[mgcd]

.....

 

IMHO, the only solution for R users that is going to satisfy all R users, is for Leica to build an R10 (or whatever they want to call it)....

 

You're right, short of that solution, whatever they come up with will be irrelevant to me.

 

Cheers,

[robsteve]

The problem with all the adapted solutions is that some of best Leica lenses do not work on the Nikon or Canon cameras because they protrude too far into the mirror box.

 

For example, the 15mm, 19mm, 35-70mm Elmarit-R ASPH, 28-90mm, 21-35mm.

 

Except for the APO ASPH teles and the latest 50mm Summilux, the rest of the Leica lenses that adapt well are good performers, but not the jaw dropping performance of the newer Leica wides and zooms.

 

We really just need a new digital R. Take the S2 technology and put an R mount on it. We don't need the AF lenses right away.

 

Robert

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[wildlightphoto]

Would not allow for full aperture metering though.

 

Also would not enable the auto-diaphragm.

[wildlightphoto]

That's fine if you are using a tripod, but for everyday use?

 

It depends on how it's implemented. As it is now, using the hold-it-at-arms-length technique, I'm not interested. I'm allowing for better solutions than we've already seen.