erlingmm Posted August 19, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Canon today launched the PowerShot G11, successor to the G10 compact. The number of pixels are reduced (!) from 14,7 Mpix to 10. Canon unveils PowerShot G11 : Digital Photography Review Yes, I know it is a different camera, and a different sensor size, but to my knowledge it is the first time a camera producer says "enough is enough" in the megapixel race, and tries to educate its customers on image quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Hi erlingmm, Take a look here 10 Mpix enough? Interesting move by Canon. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Doc Henry Posted August 19, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 19, 2009 Hi Erling,.... and in Mpx race, for Olympus 12 Mpx is also enough ! Olympus: 12 megapixels is enough for most folks | PMA 2009 - CNET Blogs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted August 19, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 19, 2009 Hmm looks like a competitor to the M8 huh? It does have manual focus through the rangefinder for $ 500. Seriously you would think that canon or nikon could truly produce an excellent pure rangefinder with M mount capability. These companies have significant resources and could design the chip from the ground up versus the hodgepodge subcontract type of work that Leica must depend on. It must be that there is simply not enough demand to justify the cost. The old Canon and Nikon RF's are excellent cameras. They have a wealth of experience in the digital world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 19, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 19, 2009 Seriously you would think that canon or nikon could truly produce an excellent pure rangefinder with M mount capability Of course they could, but in their terms the market is infinitesimal. It's not worth their while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 19, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 19, 2009 It should be 20MP, what are they thinking of! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 20, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 20, 2009 Actually, the G10 and G11 both use 1/1.7" sensors - no "different size". Also interesting that Canon sticks with CCD for the G line, despite all its innovations in CMOS. 'Way back in my Digilux 2 days, I decided that double-digit Mpixels (10 or more) would be required/enough for "35mm" work. Jumped for the Sony R-1 as a "placeholder" for a digital M when it cracked that barrier. Would be happy if a full-frame M stuck to 10-12 (bigger) Mpixels, although I guess that horse is out of the barn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trs Posted August 20, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Personally, I prefer better pixels over more pixels. So, this definitely sounds good. I assume that by reducing the pixel count on same size sensor, they have improved the capability of light gathering and DR. That is worth far more than more MP. I am probably naive, but probably people don't really think about printing more than 8x10 from their G10, so no point in having that huge number pixels. But, end of the day, it does not matter to me. I don't need G11. I have M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted August 20, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 20, 2009 I'm enthused by Canon's sanity about this. The current mega pixel race has become ridiculous for that category of camera and I hate to think of the number of fuzzy/noisy pictures there out there because of it too. Personally I'd also be happy if Leica followed the same mantra with the M(add numeral here) too - give me even better DR/iso support before resolution increase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko101 Posted August 20, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 20, 2009 Selling these things day in day out, it's interesting looking at the type of people buying them. Whilst I work in a fairly affluent suburb, most of the people buying the G series cameras are old men who 'have heard' that the G series is 'good' and they want a camera that looks and feels like a camera. Having just come to grips with having to stop using their OM-2s, most of them will hardly print a print at standard size let alone enlargements. Panasonic also called a truce on the MP war with the LX3 (less pixels; better quality pixels etc) whilst their consumer compacts went up to 14mp. Ha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted August 20, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 20, 2009 Ditto with Ricoh & GRD II/III. I don't miss the extra pixels ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted August 20, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, I know it is a different camera, and a different sensor size, but to my knowledge it is the first time a camera producer says "enough is enough" in the megapixel race, and tries to educate its customers on image quality. Nope, the first was Panasonic, with the DMC-LX3 (aka D-Lux 4), which has been eating the lunch of the Canon G-10. This is a direct response to Panasonic, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the M8, for which it's of course not a competitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 20, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 20, 2009 Good move on the part of Canon, I had a G9 but it wasn't for me. The shutter lag was a problem, and it was noisy. This sounds like a much better deal. I hope they solved the shutter lag. I doubt this will compete with the M8, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 20, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 20, 2009 It must be that there is simply not enough demand to justify the cost. The old Canon and Nikon RF's are excellent cameras. But they were not cheaper than the Leicas of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 20, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 20, 2009 Hmm looks like a competitor to the M8 huh? It does have manual focus through the rangefinder for $ 500. . Wow, that is interesting, I never knew the Canon G cameras had rangefinders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted August 20, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 20, 2009 Note to Moderator - doesn't this thread belong not in the M8 forum but the digital forum? That's where I put this comment. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/95573-competition-dlux4.html Canon's announcements have more relevance to the D-lux4. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted August 20, 2009 Note to Moderator - doesn't this thread belong not in the M8 forum but the digital forum? That's where I put this comment. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/95573-competition-dlux4.html Canon's announcements have more relevance to the D-lux4. Regards, Mark When I started the thread I had the mexapixel discussion in this thread (M9 18 mp prints A2 format ) in the back of my mind: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/95162-m9-18-mp-prints-a2-format.html In that sense it is relevant to the M8, but not specific to it. I leave it to the moderator to judge on moving it, no strong opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_b Posted August 20, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 20, 2009 When I started the thread I had the mexapixel discussion in this thread (M9 18 mp prints A2 format ) in . I think if I needed quality A2 I should be looking at an S2 or Hasslebad with digital back. It is relevant IMHO in that Canon are moving to a G11 with10mp, they also cover the whole range of sensor sizes in their DSLRs from x1.6, x1.3 and 1:1 in their product lineup so maybe Leica may offer a similar product range? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartlén Posted August 20, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 20, 2009 Wow, that is interesting, I never knew the Canon G cameras had rangefinders. I don´t think you can manually focus with the viewfinder, is an optical zoom view only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfleica Posted August 21, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 21, 2009 i have the g10. optical, tiny viewfinder. no rf. inaccurate too. zooms like the contax g, but pokier. lots of lag, mainly due to af. if focussing manually (imprecise were it not for the DoF), lag short. IQ is v good for a tiny sensor compact. everything is in DoF tho. 200+ iso v noisy compared to m8. overall, the camera is nowhere near an m8 in iq terms (of course not, at that price and sensor size!). great little camera though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexc Posted August 21, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 21, 2009 I had an opportunity to play with G10 and I liked it, however never bought it. Dlux 4 is appealing to me much more. I thing what I would love to have from G10,11 is dedicated ISO dial. I think it is very useful feature which for some reason nobody implements. It should not be that much difficult. May be I missing something here. I would love to somebody else's opinions on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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