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10 Mpix enough? Interesting move by Canon


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Canon today launched the PowerShot G11, successor to the G10 compact. The number of pixels are reduced (!) from 14,7 Mpix to 10.

Canon unveils PowerShot G11 : Digital Photography Review

Yes, I know it is a different camera, and a different sensor size, but to my knowledge it is the first time a camera producer says "enough is enough" in the megapixel race, and tries to educate its customers on image quality.

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Hmm looks like a competitor to the M8 huh? It does have manual focus through the rangefinder for $ 500.

 

Seriously you would think that canon or nikon could truly produce an excellent pure rangefinder with M mount capability. These companies have significant resources and could design the chip from the ground up versus the hodgepodge subcontract type of work that Leica must depend on.

 

It must be that there is simply not enough demand to justify the cost. The old Canon and Nikon RF's are excellent cameras. They have a wealth of experience in the digital world.

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Actually, the G10 and G11 both use 1/1.7" sensors - no "different size". Also interesting that Canon sticks with CCD for the G line, despite all its innovations in CMOS.

 

'Way back in my Digilux 2 days, I decided that double-digit Mpixels (10 or more) would be required/enough for "35mm" work. Jumped for the Sony R-1 as a "placeholder" for a digital M when it cracked that barrier. Would be happy if a full-frame M stuck to 10-12 (bigger) Mpixels, although I guess that horse is out of the barn.

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Personally, I prefer better pixels over more pixels. So, this definitely sounds good. I assume that by reducing the pixel count on same size sensor, they have improved the capability of light gathering and DR. That is worth far more than more MP. I am probably naive, but probably people don't really think about printing more than 8x10 from their G10, so no point in having that huge number pixels.

 

But, end of the day, it does not matter to me. I don't need G11. I have M8 :)

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I'm enthused by Canon's sanity about this. The current mega pixel race has become ridiculous for that category of camera and I hate to think of the number of fuzzy/noisy pictures there out there because of it too.

 

Personally I'd also be happy if Leica followed the same mantra with the M(add numeral here) too - give me even better DR/iso support before resolution increase. :rolleyes:

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Selling these things day in day out, it's interesting looking at the type of people buying them. Whilst I work in a fairly affluent suburb, most of the people buying the G series cameras are old men who 'have heard' that the G series is 'good' and they want a camera that looks and feels like a camera. Having just come to grips with having to stop using their OM-2s, most of them will hardly print a print at standard size let alone enlargements.

 

Panasonic also called a truce on the MP war with the LX3 (less pixels; better quality pixels etc) whilst their consumer compacts went up to 14mp. Ha!

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Yes, I know it is a different camera, and a different sensor size, but to my knowledge it is the first time a camera producer says "enough is enough" in the megapixel race, and tries to educate its customers on image quality.

 

Nope, the first was Panasonic, with the DMC-LX3 (aka D-Lux 4), which has been eating the lunch of the Canon G-10. This is a direct response to Panasonic, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the M8, for which it's of course not a competitor.

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Good move on the part of Canon, I had a G9 but it wasn't for me. The shutter lag was a problem, and it was noisy. This sounds like a much better deal. I hope they solved the shutter lag. I doubt this will compete with the M8, however.

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It must be that there is simply not enough demand to justify the cost. The old Canon and Nikon RF's are excellent cameras.

But they were not cheaper than the Leicas of the time.

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Note to Moderator - doesn't this thread belong not in the M8 forum but the digital forum?

 

That's where I put this comment.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/95573-competition-dlux4.html

 

Canon's announcements have more relevance to the D-lux4.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

When I started the thread I had the mexapixel discussion in this thread (M9 18 mp prints A2 format ) in the back of my mind:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/95162-m9-18-mp-prints-a2-format.html

 

In that sense it is relevant to the M8, but not specific to it. I leave it to the moderator to judge on moving it, no strong opinions.

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When I started the thread I had the mexapixel discussion in this thread (M9 18 mp prints A2 format ) in .

I think if I needed quality A2 I should be looking at an S2 or Hasslebad with digital back. It is relevant IMHO in that Canon are moving to a G11 with10mp, they also cover the whole range of sensor sizes in their DSLRs from x1.6, x1.3 and 1:1 in their product lineup so maybe Leica may offer a similar product range?

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i have the g10. optical, tiny viewfinder. no rf. inaccurate too. zooms like the contax g, but pokier.

 

lots of lag, mainly due to af. if focussing manually (imprecise were it not for the DoF), lag short.

 

IQ is v good for a tiny sensor compact. everything is in DoF tho. 200+ iso v noisy compared to m8. overall, the camera is nowhere near an m8 in iq terms (of course not, at that price and sensor size!). great little camera though.

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I had an opportunity to play with G10 and I liked it, however never bought it. Dlux 4 is appealing to me much more. I thing what I would love to have from G10,11 is dedicated ISO dial. I think it is very useful feature which for some reason nobody implements. It should not be that much difficult. May be I missing something here. I would love to somebody else's opinions on this.

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