oyvindandersen Posted August 19, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have been following this forum for a while now and I am surprised about how everybody is so hang up in if Leica is coming up with a new digital M9 or whatever it is going to be called, if You always want the newest, then You should newer buy a camera, there will always come a new camera at some point. I use two M8's, one black and one chrome, everyday, I love these cameras, also have an old M4-P, this one I used until the M8 was released. Am I going for the new camera, NO, not before one of my others won't do their job anymore. I think the important thing as an photographer is to master Your tool (camera), if it's Leica, Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad etc, find out how it works, it's limits, pros/cons etc., have this in the back of Your mind and start taking pictures, this is why You are a Photographer, You are interested in photography, the picture, not only the gear to make them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spylaw4 Posted August 19, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 19, 2009 Welcome to the forum. You have a good point in that when/if the M9 arrives the M8/8.2 will not suddenly stop taking stellar quality pictures only limited by the photographer's skill. Post some of yours in the photo forums, please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted August 19, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 19, 2009 As I have repeatedly pointed out here, a tool is not obsolete as long as it does what you want it to do. The operative word is of course "want". And the Leica auditorium is made up of many different kinds of people: Neophiliacs, Leicaphiliacs, collectors, plain nuts, and a few hard-headed users (of which I am one). Somehow in order to make a turnover, Leica has to cater to them all. The old man from the Age of Box Cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted August 19, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 19, 2009 This thread made my day: some wise and down-to-earth thoughts. Thanks guys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 19, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 19, 2009 For a first post, what a bunch of crap. First, we do not need to be lectured on how we spend our money. Nobody has chosen you to be our collective mom/wife. Second, the "you should learn to master your camera" is so incredibly arrogant. Who do you think you are to say such things? The only guy here with common sense? That none of the photographer here master what they already have? I do not welcome you. You are just another basic troll who knows nothing but want to explain everything and they are already too many like you. I cannot help to wonder how each and every fool come with the same 10 cents philosophy and thinks it's smart and new to say "hey, its the picture that matters, not the camera" without even noticing that this forum is dedicated to equipment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehouseflogger Posted August 19, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 19, 2009 Steady on Pascal ! Not a nice way to talk to anybody I think. Would you say this to his face ? I am going to put it down to Forum Rage, which like Road Rage is unforgiveable. Best wishes, Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 19, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not a nice way to talk to anybody I think. Would you say this to his face ? Sure. Suppose you are a pro shooting in the street with a team, a model, lot of strobes, a 37Mpix Blad and during a break, you are discussing with another photographer about the S2 because you think it would be a better tool for some of your pictures. Well, maybe. Then a bystander comes and tells that you focuses on wrong things, that you do not need all the gear to take good pictures and that is quite happy with his good old Rolleiflex. You try to be polite. Then another comes, and another. I'm not sure the pros will stay polite the 100th time they are interrupted by someone who pretends to know better. Just an example. BTW, the "it not the gear but the pictures that matter" is the Godwin point of photo forums. Something people who have nothing to say confuses with a valid point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted August 19, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 19, 2009 Second, the "you should learn to master your camera" is so incredibly arrogant. In English it is not, as the "'You"is used in general, and not directed at any person, let alone Forummembers, in particular. It even includes the OP:rolleyes: Perhaps a simple mistunderstanding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted August 19, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 19, 2009 What a patronising first post. But welcome anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted August 19, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 19, 2009 Are you actually a photographer? Wow, a real photographer here on the forum. Welcome and good luck. As you can see, you'll need it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 19, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 19, 2009 if You always want the newest, then You should newer buy a camera, there will always come a new camera at some point. Not a misunderstanding. Do you notice the faulty logic this guy is using? People are interested in the M9 because it might be FF, giving us back the focal length we are used to. They also expect to get rid of IR filters which can be a pain in the ass. And to be better in high-ISO, making the M one of the best cameras in low light again. These are valid points. Others have expressed that they are quite happy with their M8 and do not intend to change anytime soon. How comes all this is transformed into "if you always want the newest"... Can't we get interested in a new camera fixing the flaws of our current one without being fashion victims? The guy said he owns 2 M8s. Why? Because when he buys a recent digital camera, it is a wise choice but when other are considering the same thing, they are geeks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oyvindandersen Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted August 19, 2009 Sorry if I stepped on anybodies toes with my point of view regarding a possible new digital M, what I mean is do we take better pictures if a new camera is arriving, with new features etc., no, its still the person behind the camera who makes the picture, not the camera, it just helps You doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehouseflogger Posted August 19, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 19, 2009 Are you actually a photographer? Wow, a real photographer here on the forum. Welcome and good luck. As you can see, you'll need it. What is a real photographer ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 19, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 19, 2009 Sorry if I stepped on anybodies toes with my point of view regarding a possible new digital M, what I mean is do we take better pictures if a new camera is arriving, with new features etc., no, its still the person behind the camera who makes the picture, not the camera, it just helps You doing it. Snow in november, Christmas in december And another faulty logic. Once again, this guy supposes that pictures are judged on their intrinsic, artistic value which comes only from the eye of the photograph. This is the case of 0.00001% of the pictures made daily. But better equipment mean being able to shoot pictures you could just imagine before. Capa and HCB have been able to develop they style because they were using a small camera, not a 9x12 folding one. Ansel Adams was glad to switch to Hasselblad because the lesser weight you carry while climbing on a mountain, the more places you are able to go. And yes, if the M9 does not need IR filters, my pictures will be better because reflections do not enhance them. And if I can shoot at 1600 ISO instead of 640 ISO, yes, my pictures will be better because unwanted motion blur does not make them better. And yes, if it is FF, my pictures will be better because I'll get the same field of view from the sames lenses both on the M9 and on my B&W loaded M7 and it will help me focus on composition only. And yes, if M9 RF is more efficient as Leica said, it will make my pictures better because focusing a portrait on the ears instead of the eyes with the 75/2 wide-open does not help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted August 19, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 19, 2009 What is a real photographer ? There are probably as many definitions of what a real photographer is as there are photographers out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehouseflogger Posted August 19, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 19, 2009 mmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted August 19, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 19, 2009 Velkommen Øyvind. - Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oyvindandersen Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted August 19, 2009 Takk Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pem Posted August 19, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 19, 2009 I have never understood why people of this so nice small country are so aggressive on internet forums. May be because they know everything. Welcome Oyvind! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 19, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 19, 2009 Any car will get you from A to B, but some people choose Jaguars, BMW's or Ferrari's over a Kia. Generally they are as interested in the car itself as they are in motoring as a form of travel. Most people who choose to shoot with Leica are as passionate about the equipement they use as they are about photography itself - a good photographer certainly doesn't need to use a Leica, and a bad photographer is definately wasting their money if they buy a Leica thinking it will improve their photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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