wilfredo Posted August 3, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 3, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The S2 is generating lots of discussion and publicity on this forum. Based on the $23,000 price tag, and $28,000.00 price tag for the Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package (Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package) my guess is that this is a camera for the really high end elite professional. So who is buying ASAP? Who will not be buying at these prices? Who might be pursuaded later? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leicanut2 Posted August 3, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 3, 2009 I may in 2018 on the second hand market.. Cheers Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted August 3, 2009 I may in 2018 on the second hand market.. Cheers Jan That's a vote of confidence in longevity for the S2. So under those circumstances you might do it later, but you are not buying now. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicanut2 Posted August 4, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 4, 2009 Hi Wilfredo, Well The place I worked for closed last year and I retired, only 56 years old then, so pay has dropped alot. I just got a M8.2 new and after thinking about it I will have to sell off something like my MP to help with the bill. If I would sell off everything the S2 might be within my range but I like the M line, and the R8 I just got a used with a used 280mm for wildlife pictures. I am happy with what I have for now. Cheers Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted August 4, 2009 Stay happy Jan! I get that you are not buying. I sense a reluctance to respond to my survey question here from the Leica fan base. Why not send Leica a clear message? Endless discussion and speculation about price motives doesn't really send Leica a clear message about how the Leica fan base feels regarding the S2- E (Elite) pricing. The world is in an economic recession for crying out loud! Here are the choices again more clearly spelled out: 1, I am buying buying ASAP. 2, I will not be buying at these prices. 3, I might be pursuaded later when the S2 proves itself. I for one will not be buying at these prices. That makes two of us thus far whose answer is #2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 4, 2009 The S2 is generating lots of discussion and publicity on this forum. Based on the $23,000 price tag, and $28,000.00 price tag for the Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package(Leica S2-P with Sapphire LCD Cover Glass and Platiunum Service Package) my guess is that this is a camera for the really high end elite professional. So who is buying ASAP? Who will not be buying at these prices? Who might be pursuaded later? Surely the first question would be if one wants/needs to buy this camera?. If the answer to both of these is "no" the rest is silence. If the answer is yes, the next answer is "as soon as funds allow" It is only the undecided that waver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted August 4, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilfredo; I seriously doubt that many, if any, folks participating here could make an honest claim to needing an S2 or any medium format system. But, in fact, there's not yet enough information available on the S2 for even a full-time pro to make an informed decision. So anyone responding "Yes" to your poll at this time would be doing so on much the same basis as they would buying expensive jewelry. We'll see what the coming weeks and months reveal about the S2. But I've no plans to buy into the S2 system, regardless of "quality" reports. I am quite content and competent with my extremely versatile Mamiya-based MF system, my Canon 35mm dslrs, and my Leica film and digital rangefinders. (And now my Oly E-P1!) There are simply no technical boundaries from which any new camera can liberate me. Today I can shoot anything that my skill and imagination will allow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted August 4, 2009 Wilfredo; I seriously doubt that many, if any, folks participating here could make an honest claim to needing an S2 or any medium format system. But, in fact, there's not yet enough information available on the S2 for even a full-time pro to make an informed decision. So anyone responding "Yes" to your poll at this time would be doing so on much the same basis as they would buying expensive jewelry. We'll see what the coming weeks and months reveal about the S2. But I've no plans to buy into the S2 system, regardless of "quality" reports. I am quite content and competent with my extremely versatile Mamiya-based MF system, my Canon 35mm dslrs, and my Leica film and digital rangefinders. (And now my Oly E-P1!) There are simply no technical boundaries from which any new camera can liberate me. Today I can shoot anything that my skill and imagination will allow. Ken, You are in a very good place indeed!!!! Wilfredo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted August 4, 2009 Surely the first question would be if one wants/needs to buy this camera?. If the answer to both of these is "no" the rest is silence. If the answer is yes, the next answer is "as soon as funds allow" It is only the undecided that waver. What about you, what's your plan? I think Ken is right. There is still not enough info to make an informed decision regardless of the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted August 4, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 4, 2009 Surely the first question would be if one wants/needs to buy this camera?. If the answer to both of these is "no" the rest is silence. If the answer is yes, the next answer is "as soon as funds allow" It is only the undecided that waver. Nope. I would love to have the S2 (want, not need) and do have funds but no interest in buying. Its a question of perceived value. Just because one has the funds does not mean one buys the product. It must have value relative to its price. My "perception" is that the S2 is overpriced in comparison to other products out there in the market. At the end of the day, my perception of its value is the only relative measure of my purchase decision. Now, if it were priced at half the amount, well that's a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 4, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 4, 2009 I think the price is more or less right if they deliver what I think they are lining up for us. Nevertheless even though I could afford it I won't, no interest in a AF - DSLR regardless of price. But anyways, according to David Farkas all the pre-orders he has (had) are confirmed so I fail to see the point of this inventory. The answer is either: yes because you have pre ordered & then you get the vitriol thrown at you (what !! you don't even know the specs), or no (for whatever reason) or maybe (once I have seen some tests etc.). If I was buying one I would probably not advertise it here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted August 5, 2009 Thus far no takers here. Interesting that the pre-orders are coming in for Leica but it would appear that none of those folks bother posting any comments here. I wonder if they will post some shots once they purchase the S2 and share their experience? Stephen, I see your point and I can understand their silence given the possibility that as you say the "vitriol" could be thrown at them. Perhaps my intent with this survey is naive? Time will tell. One thing is clear to me, I don't perceive any measurable level of enthusiasm from the Leica fan base for the S2, it seems that the price has really blown the wind out of our sails. There seems to be hardly any excitement at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c6gowin Posted August 5, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 5, 2009 Based on the negativity in the other thread concerning S2 pricing, it would be suicidal for some one to post here that they are going to buy an S2. They would be thrashed and nothing good would come of it. Sad but true. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 5, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 5, 2009 ... Interesting that the pre-orders are coming in for Leica but it would appear that none of those folks bother posting any comments here. I wonder if they will post some shots once they purchase the S2 and share their experience? I suspect they're spending too much time working to get involved on internet forums. I see your point and I can understand their silence given the possibility that as you say the "vitriol" could be thrown at them. Perhaps my intent with this survey is naive? Time will tell. One thing is clear to me, I don't perceive any measurable level of enthusiasm from the Leica fan base for the S2, it seems that the price has really blown the wind out of our sails. There seems to be hardly any excitement at all. I'd be enthusiastic if the 350mm APO-Telyt-S were available along with a 1.4x APO-Extender-S and an extension tube, and if the performance lives up to the promise (oh, there's the wealthy uncle thing too...). Except for the price this would be very close to what I've been craving for a number of years: a weather-sealed, quick-handling high-performance camera with an imaging area bigger than 24x36mm. And I agree with with those who wouldn't mention their enthusiasm here, life's too short to be subjected to the verbal barrage from negasauruses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted August 5, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 5, 2009 I suspect they're spending too much time working to get involved on internet forums. I'd be enthusiastic if the 350mm APO-Telyt-S were available along with a 1.4x APO-Extender-S and an extension tube, and if the performance lives up to the promise (oh, there's the wealthy uncle thing too...). Except for the price this would be very close to what I've been craving for a number of years: a weather-sealed, quick-handling high-performance camera with an imaging area bigger than 24x36mm. And I agree with with those who wouldn't mention their enthusiasm here, life's too short to be subjected to the verbal barrage from negasauruses. Affirmative on the above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted August 5, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 5, 2009 As someone else observed, this is a pointless question in the light of the lack of specs and sample pictures from the S2. In general I would expect people who now shoot MF and people who want to have the "latest and greatest", particularly from Leica, would be the ones most interested. As for me, I'm interested in the "35 aesthetic" and have no interest in medium format, and suppose there are some other people who think the same way. To illustrate my interest, a few years ago a friend shot a river scene with an M6 and an MF camera — I believe it was the Mamiya 7) on Tri-X. Comparing the shots we both preferred the "bite" of the 35mm photograph. Now, the M8 at low ISO, as Sean Reid and others have stated, can produce files that look more like MF scanned film than like 35mm photographs. For me that already is an issue because, as I said, I like the 35mm aesthetic, which is what I try to achieve with the M8. My only interest in the S2 is whether it will be successful enough — which I hope — not to sink the company. —MItch/Potomac, MD Scratching the Surface© Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted August 5, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 5, 2009 As Mitch has already commented a decision as financially big as this has to be carefully weighed and at the moment we just don't have enough information. It is putting the cart before the horse to publish prices before a publishing very full and detailed specifications. I wouldn't buy a new car without going for a test drive and studying the detailed spec. in the brochure and we are talking about similar sums of money here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted August 5, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 5, 2009 Despite somewhat specious comparisons to the Nikon D3x as to size, the S2 is a large system, especially when you get the lenses in place. I'm more interested in shrinking the size and weight of what I'm carrying. I've bought both a G1 and a E-P1, and can fit both cameras, plus lenses that will zoom from an effective 14mm to an effective 400 (with image stabilization) with three lenses, in one of my old smaller single-body Leica bags. The images are easily good enough for most mass media outlets, if not high-end magazines, and traveling is effortless. The image quality, however, is not as good as what comes out of a Leica M. So, I won't be buying an S2, because that's not what I do. I do hope it does well, so that it can help support further development of the M system. It has occurred to me that the S2 really *is* the R10, and made specifically to appeal to people like Dough Herr and other R enthusiasts. It's too bad Leica couldn't provide some kind of adapter that would take R glass, and provide a FF image (rather than the larger one) so that people could kind of ease into the purchase...buying perhaps one lens, while using their older R glass in the limited crop. I suppose there are technical reasons why that was not possible. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted August 5, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 5, 2009 Based on the negativity in the other thread concerning S2 pricing, it would be suicidal for some one to post here that they are going to buy an S2. They would be thrashed and nothing good would come of it. Sad but true. Mark suicidal??? :eek::eek: If someone gets even remotely depressed from an internet forum exchange I would be very surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 5, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 5, 2009 If you are not going to buy one S2, you should consider not buying two, as you'll need a backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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