sdai Posted August 4, 2009 Share #381 Posted August 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Platinum Service also includes a free shutter and/or central shutter replacement. This is not just coverage if the shutter goes bad. That is what the warranty is for. Say that you have had the camera for 1 year 11 months and 3 weeks. You've shot over 100,000 shots and everything is still working fine. Before the warranty expires you can send the camera in for a full maintenance CLA and a brand new shutter, thus extending the life of the camera. This is the biggest difference between the Premium and Platinum Packages. Hasselblad will charge you $1800 for a shutter replacement (per lens) and it is not included in their CCP. Also, the Leica service packages (both Premium and Platinum) give a 30% discount on repairs due to accidental (non-warranty-covered) damage. For most users, the Premium Service Pacakge is the best bet anyway. $1,495 for the camera and $495 for lenses. Regarding 24/7, this detail hasn't been clarified yet. Both the Premium and Platinum Pacakges have a dedicated support hotline and it may very well be 24/7. I can tell you that as a dealer, I would be available and reachable 24/7 for my customers. Additionally, I will have loaner equipment available for them even if they didn't get the Platium Package. So, there is a certain service level that you can expect from Leica directly and additional service that you should expect from a good dealer. David Thanks for bringing it out more clearly, David! It's good to keep all these in mind when it comes to decision making. If the camera can prove itself to be reliable enough for occasional shooting, an amateur like me who has the minimal amount of fondling probably will never need the service plan anyways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 4, 2009 Posted August 4, 2009 Hi sdai, Take a look here S2 available in October / starting price of £15,996. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
haribo Posted August 4, 2009 Share #382 Posted August 4, 2009 No it wasn't you! I'm sorry I wrote my pointless post now - I was just exasperated. Let's forget it. No problem. Guess, in some way or another we all are. I voiced my opinion loud and clear. To be clear I am not angry or frustrated at Leica just annoyed. I feel like I'm in one of those The Bachelor / The Bachelorette reality shows where there is always this looooong and dramatic pause before it gets announced who goes on to the next round. Why are the days gone where when announcing a new product, its price, availability, specs and photos were released as well? What's up with those long periods of silence in between? PS: Having said all this, if Leica manages to WOW me with photos taken by the S2 (and it takes more than those silly Grischek fashion shots) I am willing to change my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxlim Posted August 4, 2009 Share #383 Posted August 4, 2009 No it wasn't you! I'm sorry I wrote my pointless post now - I was just exasperated. Let's forget it. Sometimes being diplomatic can blow a gasket but if its any comfort, I do not think it was pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxlim Posted August 4, 2009 Share #384 Posted August 4, 2009 ...I can tell you that as a dealer, I would be available and reachable 24/7 for my customers. Additionally, I will have loaner equipment available for them even if they didn't get the Platium Package. ... David Ahh...makes me wish I could relocate and bring my clients along Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted August 4, 2009 Share #385 Posted August 4, 2009 PS: Having said all this, if Leica manages to WOW me with photos taken by the S2 (and it takes more than those silly Grischek fashion shots) I am willing to change my mind. Grischek is a good advertising photographer... you shouldn't bash his work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 4, 2009 Share #386 Posted August 4, 2009 Well as a matter of fact it wasn't aimed at you, but there are some participants who's only contribution amounts to yet another negative statement about Leica or a Leica product. I'm by no means uncritical myself - I have plenty of gripes, believe me - but I must say I'm tired of the people who only pop up when they think they smell blood. I hope not me. I have a Leica logo tattooed on my forearm! I want them to succeed! I'm lifer. I think they need to pull their heads out of the boardroom now and then. Like where is the replacement for the SF 24 flash? Oh yeah a brick larger than the camera itself. No I don't want Leicas mass produced, just better produced and somewhat affordable to actual working photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 4, 2009 Share #387 Posted August 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't think Herald is pointing his finger at Grischek, rather, many of us are quite unimpressed with the LFI "test shots", there's certainly no wow factor to say the least. But then, one would be extremely hard pressed to tell the differences among cameras at this level from a "technical" perspective. The photographer is the deciding factor. I can train my dog to press the shutter on a S2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
felipe-m Posted August 4, 2009 Share #388 Posted August 4, 2009 Not at all: there is no reason that all the dramatic negative points that you delight in enumerating should be inherent in Leica producing in such countries. Huh? Where did I say that they are "inherent in Leica producing elsewhere"? Good for them if they find a quality way to do it, as in Portugal. Would be nice if you would stick to what I actually wrotte, which is that those bad examples have happened and keep happening with many other companies, so that you can get your cheap goods at the store. If you don't want to consider that when purchasing, that's up to you, but you're purchasing the responsibility together with the goods... So after reading this from you: "I agree that it's relevant to discuss the pros and cons of Leica producing in a low-wage country ... what I think is off topic is a discussion of the "morality" of low wages..." if this does not refer to the humanistic and environmental aspects of a purchase, then those aspects are "on topic" after all then...! Also, your approach implicitly assumes that industrial development in low-wage countries will not at least attenuate some of these human rights and environmental problems, which is contradicted by the experience of the most successful ones, again, Japan, Korea and Taiwan. It implicitly assumes what? Your extrapolations are really quite something I must say... Didn't I just writte that: "The "comparative advantage" concept ... does not need to include degradation of the human condition to be effective, or does it?" And again, 3 good examples among many bad ones, and, to put it bluntly and to ilustrate the examples on the other extreme: "improved" slavery is still slavery... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted August 4, 2009 Share #389 Posted August 4, 2009 Grischek is a good advertising photographer... you shouldn't bash his work Holy Leica! Are you sensitive!!!! As sdai said already, I wasn't pointing my finger at Grieschek. But frankly, every "good advertising photographer" can have a "bad" day. Those shots were decent but certainly missed the WOW factor. I'm sure every decent pro here could do the same with the M8 in fact. Not saying the M8 is only decent but the shots clearly lacked what's supposed to make the S2 so superior. Instead of fluffy, soft pictures where model and clothing look rather weak and uninspiring, I would have at least preferred something showing off stunning richness in details and colours. Besides that, with all the hoopla about being waterproof and such why on earth were they shooting in the comforts of a studio???? If Leica would assign me with the pleasure of producing some demo shots, I'd go to Iceland and use the rugged but scenic landscape as background for a car shoot, a people/fashion shoot and such. Now that would be a test for the S2, wouldn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted August 4, 2009 Share #390 Posted August 4, 2009 I don't think Herald is pointing his finger at Grischek, rather, many of us are quite unimpressed with the LFI "test shots", there's certainly no wow factor to say the least. But then, one would be extremely hard pressed to tell the differences among cameras at this level from a "technical" perspective. The photographer is the deciding factor. I can train my dog to press the shutter on a S2. What is this wow factor? The S2 is just a tool...a really good tool...that's it. What do ya'll want it to do? Shoot in Xray vision mode so ya can see-thru through women's clothes C'mon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted August 4, 2009 Share #391 Posted August 4, 2009 I think Felipe puts it very well. I also deplore the attitude that good handiwork is necessarily mind-numbing or demeaning. I'm sure that most if not all of those that work for Leica are proud of their jobs, and don't in any way see it as 'drudgery'. As I said, insofar as the price of a camera is related to the cost of its production, I'm more than happy to buy one that is produced by individuals receiving a good wage and working in good conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted August 4, 2009 Share #392 Posted August 4, 2009 What do ya'll want it to do? Shoot in Xray vision mode so ya can see-thru through women's clothes C'mon Please don't give people ideas for their M9 wishlists.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted August 4, 2009 Share #393 Posted August 4, 2009 As sdai said already, I wasn't pointing my finger at Grieschek.. That's exactly what you did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 4, 2009 Share #394 Posted August 4, 2009 ...The S2 is just a tool...a really good tool...that's it... Did you try it yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 4, 2009 Share #395 Posted August 4, 2009 Shoot in Xray vision mode so ya can see-thru through women's clothes Why does the S2 need a Xray mode? I'm sure a lot of beautiful women will happily take off their clothes in front of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted August 4, 2009 Share #396 Posted August 4, 2009 That's exactly what you did okay, if you say so. anyhow, this leaves me to believe ... ... you are in fact Mr. Grieschek and your ego got bruised ... ... or you are the newly elected upholder of moral standards ... ... or you are just a dork who laughs to argue for the sake of arguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 4, 2009 Share #397 Posted August 4, 2009 Thing is, if they had of put out a spread of truly great pictures they could have all been made with an M8 and everyone would be tripping all over themselves at what an amazing camera the S2 is. Ink on paper is the great leveler (esp of the newsstand variety) and above a certain point extra mp delivers diminishing returns. Now 4'x6' fine art prints is a whole different thing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted August 4, 2009 Share #398 Posted August 4, 2009 okay, if you say so. anyhow, this leaves me to believe ... ... you are in fact Mr. Grieschek and your ego got bruised ... ... or you are the newly elected upholder of moral standards ... ... or you are just a dork who laughs to argue for the sake of arguing. Monte, I'll take door #3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted August 4, 2009 Share #399 Posted August 4, 2009 okay, if you say so. anyhow, this leaves me to believe ... ... you are in fact Mr. Grieschek and your ego got bruised ... ... or you are the newly elected upholder of moral standards ... ... or you are just a dork who laughs to argue for the sake of arguing. you shouldn't bash his work... Now you bash me for pointing this out You're a real class act... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted August 4, 2009 Share #400 Posted August 4, 2009 Did you try it yet? forget it...I'm done with internet forums just for the record...I'm a US based photographer...never been to Hamburg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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